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BigxGrime Ep 135
Me and big grime happened to both be at a father show in providence on saint Patrick's day and ended up featured on the same episode of the Dgt.studios podcast. We have a lot in common our shared interest in odd future, rxknephew, and physical media made this first meeting sound a lot like a conversation between old friends. the danceable beats and tone of his music make me feel like I'm trapped in a 8-bit Castlevania game in the best way possible. Check it out anywhere music is streamed
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One, two, three, we are live with Big Grime. You want to introduce yourself.
Speaker 2:What's up? Yeah, I'm Big Grime, new England bass artist.
Speaker 1:You got mad fucking albums. Dude, how much shit have you put out?
Speaker 2:Right now I put out I have 53 songs, 53 songs.
Speaker 1:Spread across several things. I feel really bad for musicians these days because I was talking to someone and it's like there's a local artist named camden murphy and he has a song that hit like six million plays, called spilled paint and I was talking to my buddy and he was like well, how much money is that on streams? You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying it's, yeah, it's maybe netted like 200 or no more than a thousand dollars off. That too, because I talked to a lot of my friends making music about that and it sucks, because it used to be like, hey, I'll buy your cd and support you and that was like fucking five bucks and he gets to eat that day.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean right, exactly.
Speaker 1:And then it's like, especially with like I feel like there's like a war on um, like physical media you know like where it's like to the point where it's like you have, like whatever streaming service, it is hulu, netflix whatever you're watching a show, you get into it, and then bam uh, and it also they take it away yeah, my favorite show, the league and you have to like chase these things down to get them and like, honestly, I personally developed an obsession with physical media, like currently my dreams open like a record store, have that kind of stuff going but like I wanted to watch the show louis and you know louis got canceled like a few years back, so they took him down off every streaming service right got to go on amazon also.
Speaker 1:Amazon's another place where it's like they're kind of fucking everybody over but get all of his dvds. It's like a good 60 bucks. But yeah, physical media media is brutal and, like my friends that make music, it's what's the incentive to make cds. There's no disc drive on this fucking pc.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. They're doing that with like games too now, like the new xbox or whatever doesn't have a disc tray, and everything like that playstation 5.
Speaker 1:You can knock off 200 bucks to have no disc drive. Of course everyone's gonna fucking do that. But right, it's a it's really, it's an idea. I don't want to get too crazy and conspiratorial they don't want us to own anything you know I'm saying they don't want you to have ownership of things, they want you to rent. It's the same concept as a house. Like you know what I'm saying. If you put two thousand dollars towards a mortgage, it's better than two thousand dollars going into, like your landlord's pocket.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean yeah, yeah, for sure that it's like also, it's like everything that goes in with owning a house as well, like all the property upkeep and everything property taxes, that's like which one's more affordable at this point me paying rent in a tiny apartment exactly 800 square feet or whatever, not even yeah and the other thing is like it's the exchanges you have to make because everyone will say things aren't worth it, like if I could, you could afford a house in ohio, you could afford a house in louisiana right, but then what the fuck are you gonna do out exactly, unless you? Got your own cave studio and you're producing or flying out to do comedy. You know what I'm saying yeah that's what?
Speaker 1:uh, I remember I watched a hannibal burrs. I don't know if it was like a fake mtv cribs or something. But he's like, yeah, this is how I live in chicago. They walked in. It's a studio apartment, 800 feet, with just trash bags of clothes sitting in the middle of it. He's like I come here, pick up clothes and get back on another plane. And it's like, yeah, artists aren't supposed to own things. In particular, they make it hard. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:it's crazy yeah, it is, and I feel like, yeah, especially with just, you know like um, just like how everyone's just attention spans are so short with shit, like yeah, who's gonna? Who's gonna list sit and listen to like a whole cd oh, dude, who's gonna listen to an hour of stand-up? Yeah, you know what I'm saying, unless you're super invested in that and that comedian or that artist or whoever it is are you really going to sit through an hour of content?
Speaker 1:Or you've been kind of manicured by listening to it in the past. You know what I'm saying. You grew up listening to full putting on 60-minute sets, because that's what it's done. The peak of comedy is if you can hold a person's attention for like an hour and a half doing comedy like. Henry rollins isn't a comedian, but I saw him do like spoken word in boston once and he was just like an hour and a half of life stories. These are my views, like that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, shout out henry rollins. Oh dude, so guy black flag rollins band.
Speaker 1:I was actually listening to you ever seen the movie the crow? Yeah, with brandon lee, of course, dude that soundtrack is the coolest fucking thing in the world. Let's see if I find it.
Speaker 2:But they have uh, I think it's called roland's band actually I think I have that on cd I have a big box of like I have a big box of like like a w mason box full of old cds and shit and I'm pretty sure, because, uh, what's it?
Speaker 1:stone temple pilots is on this yeah, exactly, and I brought up like I originally discovered it because I asked my guitar teacher back in the day what was your favorite like rage against the machine song and he said this one darkness where it's like, and it was really good. Actually it's kind of out of pocket, but this was like the peak of soundtracks for me, because like, imagine just going out and be like, okay, we're gonna cure roland's band pantera all to just make an original song for this. Like that's never going to fucking happen again bro.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:It's fucking ludicrous making a Fast and Furious track. I think the last gasp of it was the third Transformers movie had Linkin Park in it or some shit.
Speaker 2:I know, and now a lot of movies too, or a lot of just content.
Speaker 1:I feel like it's a lot of people just recycling shit where it's like remakes, like mad movies or remakes like you'll see, like oh, they did friday the 13th remake. Oh exactly, we're gonna get like a resurgence of oh, next it's gonna be nightmare on elm street and then they're gonna do all 17 halloween movies again, which I will probably watch because I've been like and like in terms of remakes. The rob zombie remake of the halloween shit loved that dude, that was good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was very good in terms of a multi-faceted artist.
Speaker 1:He's pretty cool too, because you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I was actually listening to uh white zombie, his first band on the way here like just came on my stuff and I'm gonna say this, but like I. I think that that is better than his solo stuff yeah, and then once he switched to movies. You can tell he found his niche yeah, exactly he found.
Speaker 1:He found my wife, yeah, into the murder film.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:That's a great film. Needs my wife in it. You know what I'm saying. I love that kind of fucking lady. And it's also it's interesting when artists go off and do their own thing, like when you start in a band and you kind of have people like rimming you in and like controlling what you're doing, and some people benefit from that and other people, like I, tried listening to a Sting album benefit from that and other people like, like I tried listening to a sting album, oh yeah, from the police, not for me, that's true.
Speaker 2:I don't really do it. Some people it depends. Some people it depends when they switch, when they branch off on their own, for example danzig shits on the misfits to me.
Speaker 1:I love glenn danzig solo work, going heavier, going weirder, a lot slower, and it's also it's as he's growing it becomes more refined. You know what I'm saying for sure, for sure, I feel the same way about king diamond versus merciful fate.
Speaker 2:I like merciful fate, but I like king diamond solo stuff way more exactly, I guess it's sort of like your own connection to that like individual person versus a collective.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. Yeah, and I really feel like there's been like a dying off of the idea of a band because everyone doesn't want to share or contest their vision.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying yeah, I was even thinking about that the other day, with like odd future, for example. Like you know, I don't really listen to any of tyler's new stuff, like no disrespect, no offense, but it's just like that odd future back. Like I have the donut cd, I have the fucking cd I had the trust me, I was obsessed with odd future in high school.
Speaker 1:That was like peak for me and I had like the jersey with the 666 on the back of it I wore to school, got in trouble. It's like it was a whole thing and it was just it tuned into, like when you catch an exact moment because they were young, I was a teenager and they were saying it kind of hit every nerve that punk rock did for me you know what I'm saying like sandwiches, edgy shit. My parents didn't want me to go to the concert.
Speaker 3:Yeah, anyways, all that shit and it's also just.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like slipknot in a weird way, where they were like, okay, all of us are into this same genre, we're just going to throw us all into a band together right, yeah, and they had like.
Speaker 2:I mean, eventually they had the show as well, lord of squad and then it's like they had actually great yeah, it was great, but I feel like that wouldn't fly now, like certain, like things like that wouldn't fly. Or even like you remember, like how people were super into like jackass back in the day or whatever like all that stuff, me and my friends. We were just watching woodstock 99 the other day oh, yeah, well just just uh like concert footage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly like kid rock corn, was that one biscuit in there?
Speaker 3:yeah that's crazy people the titties out.
Speaker 2:People surfing on fucking plywood oh or whatever.
Speaker 1:It's like that couldn't happen now. So the crazy thing is I want to come back to the jackass thing.
Speaker 2:Remind me to do that.
Speaker 1:But the other thing is we're so scared to get filmed anywhere we go.
Speaker 2:My friend was just saying the same thing to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a chronic anxiety that, like you know what I'm saying, I went to a band show Provoker. I really love Provoker, super Provoker. I really love Provoker, Super cool band. They do kind of scary movie music videos but they call it synth pop. And I went with a couple of friends and you know what I'm saying. I'm a little awkward, I don't dance much, but I was getting into it and moving around and my friend came over.
Speaker 2:You're vibing, you're vibing.
Speaker 1:Staring at me and pointing it out and I was like you just killed it for me.
Speaker 2:You just ruined it for me, saying like we don't want attention drawn to like relax yeah right and I mean, I feel like the same way like sometimes, like you know, god forbid someone's in trouble.
Speaker 1:Yeah, half the time someone's standing, they're filming it oh, exactly, you know, it's just like you get, you see an accident someone's like riding by filming it or whatever.
Speaker 2:It's just like it's like a bystander.
Speaker 1:I think it's like, yeah, bystander syndrome, or like you know what I'm saying, yeah, like you're just sitting there in all of the thing because you're going through trauma, just seeing that like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:If you see something like that happen, there's a disconnect and your brain suddenly is contemplating reality like yeah, I think a lot of it, about, like you know, the ancient greeks, how they said like there were gods of thunder and fire and shit like that, like a forest fire. They can't comprehend that in a scientific term, so they come up with all it's this, it's got to be, got.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying? Crazy shit like that. We pissed somebody off. This is what's happening. We got to go kill some boars for this guy. Let's chill him out. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, because it's hard to like. I've had two times where I think I had to like call 911 for something. One is I saw my buddy get hit by a car by a car.
Speaker 2:He did like a quick flip, but he landed on his head. He was fine. He was fine, no, and it was it's all right.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I love you, andy, I'm glad you're doing good, but um, and like the thing was so after that you called I'd want you get the ambulance there, and like we pulled to the side and we're sitting there and like I was just thinking, okay, concussion protocol for football games. Who's the president right now? And he said donald trump and it was joe biden.
Speaker 3:I was like fuck I was like oh no wait.
Speaker 1:No, he wouldn't know that. Normally it's okay, like you know what I'm saying in our own little world. And there was another one that was um, um, me and my buddy were driving down broadway. I was with jordan and, uh, a kid was skateboarding and I guess he had a seizure while he was skateboarding and fell, and so so then we had that split-second decision. You're driving on a main road. It's like okay, pull over, call and try and get help or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because that's the fucked-up shit. In those situations it's like seconds and I fantasize about a motorcycle. I skateboarded until I busted my shoulder and it's like, until you meet people with brain injuries, you don't really like.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying because, yeah, yeah, no, it's fun versus risk. Especially well, since you just brought up a motorcycle, especially up here. I would not want to have a motorcycle up here I mean just going over that bridge, oh my god the amount of potholes, I would not want to be sitting on that ride and I get like sent off the bridge. Oh dude, if that wind gets too crazy.
Speaker 1:You're going up like. I used to drive box trucks over that thing. It feels like I'm sailing in the sea dude you gotta compensate and shit like that. I saw a motherfucker on a moped on the highway and I was like you were the bravest and stupidest person I've seen, because I was. Why am I hearing going on the fucking highway? It's like, bro, where could you be going? Like you have to be going.
Speaker 2:You don't even need to go like that to get zoddy bore put an uber on something I saw when I lived in florida for a couple years. I saw mad fools down there doing some crazy shit with driving or like especially a moped. You see some full and the speed limit's like 50, 60 you're just like dude, what are? You doing guys got no helmet on smoking a cigarette.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's also like four lanes of traffic yellow blinking lights and everyone's just going and it's kind of like it reminds me of up here. It's like you kind of get jaded to certain things when you're living in florida. You get used to insanity you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just like crazy shit going on all the fucking time so you like don't even register anymore. It's just kind of like how I live in a quinic island. It's such a beautiful place, like the ocean and shit, you don't really appreciate it until you like leave yeah, yeah, I was like 10.
Speaker 2:I lived like 10 minutes from the beach and stuff.
Speaker 3:It's like I went maybe five times oh my god, you know, and it's just because it's like, oh damn, that would be nice to go back again but now it's like up here.
Speaker 2:I'm like all right, wait, there's so many like like narragansett second.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro, it's like the most coastline in the country and like my first drive from new jersey four hours to hang out at our beach for like 45 minutes to like show their kids like no, it's not all like heroin, needles and bullshit and bones fucking under the pier. You know what I'm saying there is a nice beach, somewhere that no one can afford to live near anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the scariest part I know mass is. Mass is crazy too. Like the price is like I used to live in boston and whatnot, and cambridge too. Yeah, it's fucking insane.
Speaker 1:So the northeast what they say is the craziest thing is the disparity between the amount of money that can be made in the area versus what rent is. You know what I'm saying. And the issue with boston is you got a bunch of ivy league like university students and their parents are like I'll just buy you a condo, it's cheaper than renting out there and that drives the price up and hopefully we're hoping like a bubble's gonna pop and it's gonna all come down eventually. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:And I feel like for Boston too. It's like, unless you're in, like unless you're a student, you're into big tech. Or you have like a trade, like you work in, like construction or something like that. It's like there's not, or like you might be able to finesse it with a couple service jobs, whatever, like waiting and job market, yeah, and I'm not.
Speaker 1:I mean cities to me, like I love visiting them. But someone said like we're the perfect distance from new york. You could drive there if you had. You can hop on a train. That's true. You go there, experience it and come back because you don't want to live there. Do you think you could? You see yourself in new york like?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, I mean honestly, it's funny. It's funny you bring that up. I'm actually trying to move out there yeah, which borough?
Speaker 1:you got an idea about it? I?
Speaker 2:want to be in brooklyn yeah I was just there for a show last month. Yeah, as well, oh yeah you did a show.
Speaker 1:You posted about it too and stuff like that. Is that where you caught rxk, nephew, like when you saw them live, or no, that was in um.
Speaker 2:That was last year, december of last year. At um, the fuck is it called the brooklyn monarch? Oh, so it's in like, I think like williamsburg, I was in Bushwick for this show.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I played like a bar arcade. This place called Wonderville.
Speaker 1:No, that's right, by fucking Tyra Luke's house. I saw my buddy did a show there too. It's awesome, and they got some really like funny games, like there was one where he plays a black woman and keep white people from touching your hair.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they swap them out too. It's like right in the front, like how you have the flag up here. It's kind of like a light thing, and some you just like press a button, yeah, and move a lever, and it like you follow the light, and then it comes back around and you have to kind of like beat it oh yeah, it's sort of like like when the light changes, yeah, yeah, and it's so see again.
Speaker 1:But this is so they say. Streaming gives you unlimited access to all the things you want, when it's like kind of having physical media, and these constraints are what help you find, like we both found a game in wonderville that we liked playing. You know what I'm?
Speaker 1:saying right or like, even like hey say go to like free play, for example you know, I mean I love hitting the pinball machines, get a couple beers in and just like you know, like that's about fun, or I think about it kind of like cable, like you know, I'm saying, when we had like 60 channels and you had to scroll through and be like what channel holds my interest, whether it's like Hallmark movies or Comedy Central or fucking dude, when I was a little kid you just any hotel you go to anything, tune in.
Speaker 3:Nickelodeon, you know what I'm saying, I just jump right in.
Speaker 1:You have a favorite cartoon grown up.
Speaker 2:Damn, I have quite a few. I should not have been doing this as a young kid, but I watch an adult swim all the time, of course. Well, that's like. You know what I'm saying, parents go to sleep.
Speaker 1:It's 11 o'clock and it feels like a fever dream to me whenever I think about getting to Toonami or adult swimming and watching all that shit. And that's what made it especially cool. You know what I'm saying, because it's like was that cartoon real or did at 4 am like the random, like if you stayed up that late or whatever, yeah, I was.
Speaker 2:I was like 11 o'clock one episode of naruto down, yep, yep. I mean I love uh aqua teen hunger forest. That was my shit. Um, I used to love ed, ed and eddie.
Speaker 1:Courage the cowardly dog I was actually told to stop watching ed, ed and eddie because I was quoting it too much growing up. It's like I fucking love that show dude no for real.
Speaker 2:It's crazy. Any of that sort of stuff like king of the hill was my shit.
Speaker 3:Oh, dude you know I also and a lot of anime like inuyasha.
Speaker 1:Oh, ronnie hakusho is still probably like one of my major comfort enemies and like when I talked to, I tried watching hunter x hunter made by the same dude. But when I tell people about yu yu hakusho, I'm like okay, if you can deal with how corny some of the stuff is, it's the best anime you'll watch in your life. You know what I'm saying. Like the romance and all that bullshit, but tagoro being jacked like just the perfect villain, like the cool ass glasses and all that bullshit, yeah that's probably my number one, I also.
Speaker 1:I like some weird ones. You ever see a psyche k it's like a.
Speaker 2:I don't think so.
Speaker 1:That's a kid with pink hair and he was like kind of just a psychic and it's not even like a real uh actiony thing, it's more like a comedy bullshit you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:it's interesting, yeah, but I have so much on my list too of like shit to watch.
Speaker 1:I'm just like it feels like there's not enough time today. But being busy is great.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying like having all these things to do is kind of what keeps me sane yeah, I feel that it's always good to have some tasks, because it's just like you're sitting around and then just like yeah how you feel about one piece I'm not a fan I can't get it I can
Speaker 2:respect it. But it's also just one of those things where, like my friends have told me, like oh, check out game of thrones yeah, check out the sopranos oh yeah and I'm not shitting on any of that stuff it's just like there's so much content to watch and also like, if I find something myself, I'm always going to reject things that people try and make me watch a little bit I feel that because
Speaker 2:like the same, like I just watched that movie long legs recently, right, and I waited until, whatever, the hype died down I remember I was getting uh tattoo done and the tattoo artists like saw our movies and stuff, so we were just, you know, shooting the shit, whatever. And she's just like, yeah, it's kind of okay, whatever, it's decent, I think I was like it was mad, anticlimactic for me.
Speaker 2:I was like oh, my god, I was mad excited to see nicholas cage and I was just like all right, you know so I saw the ending coming. I saw that shit coming once. Everything you know, I'm not gonna spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen it.
Speaker 1:But don't worry, there's like five people listening to this podcast, don't worry but um so I caught that in theaters with my brother and I. I love the first 20 minutes and I liked how they were saying, like you have some kind of psychic detective deal. Like how did you know that was going on? I loved that Like it's such a fun cool concept. Oh, that part of it was great, Like you know what I'm saying and they kind of like get that itch developed where you're like I want to see where this goes.
Speaker 2:And that just that, because you know I'm saying it kind of puts it in a box, but it does to some extent.
Speaker 1:I also just didn't like how, like when you finally meet him yeah, there's like barely any screen time yeah exactly like he's like the shadows for the most time. You know what I'm saying. It's like when they get a superstar and they're like. You got me for 10 minutes, so put me in where you want me like specifically you know what's crazy speaking of that?
Speaker 2:uh, you do like blade, like the blade movies I saw the og one once. I think ah, you gotta watch the other ones, because if you like, the crow wesley snipes a fucking goat though he's not gonna be in the new one I saw something that somebody said they're putting someone else in. I forget the actor they were placing him with but, they said, because he made an appearance in one of the last Marvel movies. His character was a little nicer.
Speaker 2:So, they're like, oh, we can't have him be Blade again I was like what do you mean?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't be a pussy. You can't sell out to Marvel and think you're coming back to the underground Like he was like smiling and shit.
Speaker 2:It was just like okay, that's not.
Speaker 1:I don't know, because he's, I don't think anyone else could play Blade blade, yeah. And the other thing is like those superhero movies back in the day when they had an edge. Like I was talking to someone about the I think it was the, not ben affleck daredevil, it was like oh, the early 2000s yeah, early 2000s, daredevil.
Speaker 2:I forget who is in that, but yeah, that I haven't.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen that forever oh, dude, that this movie was so fucking fire. Where is it? So it's 2003. Like this was one of my favorite shits and they shit on the what's his name oh, it is ben affleck yeah ben affleck played this dude opposite of what's her name. Oh gosh, sorry, we're getting too deep into movies right now no, it's all you got kevin smith in the cut. Where's the villain dude? There's a big actor that played the villain. Uh, bullseye 2003, bullseye, what's his name?
Speaker 1:he's in all these colin farrell okay, bro, and they they said this was his worst performance of all time, but I thought it was great. I love all this, but, like now, scary movies are just selling. Oh, you can bring your kids and you'll get a little nostalgic.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying yeah, it's like, and we've made 12 avengers movies.
Speaker 1:So even if you weren't into it as a kid, you're nostalgic for the first one. Right, yeah, exactly, and it's classic cash grabs as opposed to like trying to do things that are abstract and different.
Speaker 2:I agree, yeah, and it's like all these music festivals now, like how they have, like the-.
Speaker 1:When we Were Young.
Speaker 2:Fest when we Were Young, or the what uh, sick new world? Yeah, dude, and it's basically.
Speaker 1:they canceled that shit too yeah it's also just like sure, I'd love to go see system of a down, I really would do. I want to see them with like every other band from that era. No, not really.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying like right it, it's so uh, and same thing with warp. So I went to warp tour in 2017. That shit was cool. That's the only one I ever went to. But it's like people are paying so much money and do all this and then like they got like all these people with some, you know, like some people have some like allegations and whatever the bands that they're putting on.
Speaker 1:So it's just like you really want to support that, I mean it's. I mean it's hard to separate the art from the artist too, because it is when there's so many people like, yeah, I listen to.
Speaker 2:I believe I can fly by r kelly and like a tear comes to my eye I was talking about that the other day like like I know all the evil the world, also his evil, doesn't see.
Speaker 1:Even after we, after diddy, came out like it made him seem so much less bad. But it's like it just came on my shuffle and I was just like this is the most like profound song of hope that's a nostalgic thing too because it's in fucking space jam.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, you know, it's like it makes me think of that movie all the time. I have an original space jam poster with michael jordan on it still in my room. Yeah, like, yeah, I love, yeah and like I talk all this like actually no, I love fucking.
Speaker 1:It's called black lodge collectibles in cranston, like they have just nostalgia pieces. You know, I'm saying vhs is vinyl records uh, black lodge collectibles.
Speaker 3:I got the sticker right here on the pc actually right there my bad, we're getting up and moving uh, comments records and like, I just love that kind of shit and like because it's even.
Speaker 1:I'm not into wwe but I was like, oh, they got a cane poster and I got that for my friend.
Speaker 3:That's what we get into it.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying like because it's those connections too, because you're getting physical media of like, even things you don't like, and sharing with people. But space jam was really. Why'd they have to remake it? You know what I mean I think it's.
Speaker 2:I think it's also just a thing where like oh, no I think, I think personally, people might be shocked by this, whatever, but I think lebron has now surpassed michael. Yeah, as a player. It's like yeah as far as like the dude's been playing like michael jordan the last couple years of his career, he was shit. Yeah, you know he was fizzle not shit, but he was fizzling out.
Speaker 1:You know exactly when he was on the charlotte hornets and like he was like that's actually a penalty, and the ref was like sorry, michael, we'll give him the penalty, like shit, like that yeah and well, the thing about I will say that I enjoy about michael more than lebron I'm not a big basketball guy, sure like the fact that he kind of was a degenerate like you know I'm saying cocaine gambling, smoking cigars, like yeah, I mean the nba back then was different yeah, angry, super competitive and like he was kind of like an embodiment of that because they said 20 grand on this golf hole.
Speaker 1:Right now we're playing 18 holes before we go to the game tomorrow and this and that and showing up yep and it's kind of like lebron's, like tom brady and that guy's more like.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. I'm trying to think about back in the day. Steve, young like tom brady, is doing everything he can to try and be the best like health wise and all that shit. And I like the dude that gets off, rips a cig at halftime and goes back out there like because I feel like trying too hard. Uh, it's a bad argument I'm making no, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2:It's also because, like I grew up, it's funny.
Speaker 3:I mean, obviously I'm fairly short yeah but I always wanted to be in the nba as a kid you know, for real, so like I loved basketball, but back then like 90s, early 2000s now it's like I don't even like it's hard to get into the pacers for you know, they're still in this.
Speaker 1:Whatever but like I'm not big into it. Hey, short guys can play basketball. Bro, if you're wet, you know what I'm saying like for sure ike fucking damien illard. I hope I didn't butcher his last name, because I don't know basketball like that but like these short guys do pull up it's true, yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2:But it's just, you know, like again, I feel like the games change where it's like back in the day, like like with, like dennis robin or someone like that.
Speaker 3:It's like you could be physical.
Speaker 2:You could body, or exactly that's what I'm saying. You could body somebody.
Speaker 1:It's like you're not stopping me getting to this fucking hoop bro.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, but now it's like everybody's that they shatter the glass and oh, it's magic.
Speaker 1:Yep, but it's. And like, yeah, that's the other argument you can make it for Michael versus LeBron is it's a different game in combat, like basically like, yeah, the primal, like instinct, yeah, like to compete, to like my city better than your city and we got that instead of, like, pulling up and murdering and killing each other, we show up and, just like, have a nice constructed game, which does get violent at times, like especially like hockey they're allowed to beat each other up yep.
Speaker 1:So now like yeah, sometimes you still see the dugout empty in baseball oh, dude, it's the best, yeah, no, the best basketball thing I ever heard. I think it was called malice in the palace. I watched that live on tv yeah, I watched that live on tv with my dad. We were just watching tnt basketball and I saw that shit when it happened. Yeah, that is some father and son shit right there like they threw a water bottle out of, and then they just went and fought the fans dude like that dude, that was crazy, oh dude and it will never happen again.
Speaker 2:You know the nba wants to rescind that from the record books. They're like that didn't happen, you know.
Speaker 1:They're like no, no, yeah, you can't do that, that is real life that happened like yeah, and as soon as you're trying to alter history, which, of course, they're always trying to alter history, of course yeah, it's it's not real anymore and it's good. It's humanity, because we're not perfect.
Speaker 2:We make mistakes we do, yeah for sure. But like also, it's like what did you think was gonna happen if you're throwing fucking food and shit at like a dude who's like seven feet tall?
Speaker 3:is he just gonna?
Speaker 2:stand there and let you do it like, even if he's representing an organization, it's like, no, you kind of got to have some like respect for people. Sure, it was a hard foul, it was a hard foul whatever, but you should let the teams do.
Speaker 1:It's just like the people that are like pressing them in the street trying to get money and shit like that. You know what I'm saying. Like I'm like throwing them through windows, like all that kind of shit, like it's happened. And it's like you're trying to press these guys and you think, oh, you're a celebrity, you've got all this shit behind you like you're not gonna. Like you know, I'm saying basically, as soon as you become that level celebrity that people feel like you serve them they feel like you're a fucking waiter or some shit.
Speaker 2:Right, they have like, um, an image, a pre-built image.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like oh, I'm gonna walk up and you're gonna give me this picture and it's like no, that guy came from fucking louisiana and had nothing drinking out of a hose. I don't know why I'm using james winston's life as an example for this, because he's the sweetest guy in the world. But you know, I'm saying like these guys came from like bad shit yeah, I'm saying it's a way to what they're doing is transcending and there's a lot of gratitude there. But at the same time you gotta like respect people exactly, there's still people.
Speaker 2:I would not want to be that level of fame like aaron judge or someone like that, like that dude can't go anywhere.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. He can't go anywhere without somebody, especially after the red socks fucking struck about three times in a row yeah no, they did no they did that.
Speaker 2:No, it's funny, no they did their thing, though for real they had last couple of games like I don't even watch baseball like that.
Speaker 1:They had it on in the truck, though, and I was just like, yeah, I kind of fuck with those. They're red socks jersey, but they look like oakland ace jerseys.
Speaker 2:You don't say yeah, that was an interesting color way that they picked for that I don't like a lot of the newer jerseys for stuff.
Speaker 1:I do like more of the retro yeah, like the blueellow ones, I didn't fuck with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was like the Boston Strong ones, right? Yeah, I think so, and they had like my favorite ones.
Speaker 1:they had Father's Day ones. They were just like regular Red Sox jerseys, but baby blue instead of red, and I was like that shit's kind of gas.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, for sure, but when?
Speaker 1:you're playing like 180 games in a year. You've got to splash up the jerseys, you, but sorry, we're getting so deep in a wormhole. What made you want to start making music, sorry, no, you're good, it's a good conversation.
Speaker 3:We're going back to the tropes. We're going back to music.
Speaker 2:When I was a kid my parents, they didn't really listen to rap music. My dad likes Public Enemy or Cypress Hill stuff like that.
Speaker 3:There we go, he's not listening to Pac or Eminem or anyone like that. The real ed he's not listening to, like Pac or like Eminem or anyone like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah for sure, but basically I was listening to a lot of like classic rock stuff like Jimi Hendrix, the Doors and stuff like that, and from like a young age I was like I wanted to be in a band. We were talking about earlier how it's hard to get people to collaborate with you to show up People.
Speaker 1:I know, that have been in bands are like you think you're close with these guys, but living in a van with them for three days, you're gonna fucking get too.
Speaker 2:You're gonna rip somebody's head off, yeah yeah, so I ended up I was playing bass. I got onto doing bass. I was doing that when I was like 14, yeah I played bass hell yeah, oh sick, hell.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, keep going though, dude that's awesome, I want to I want to get a.
Speaker 2:I want to get a new bass.
Speaker 1:I haven't played in a while but it's an itch and it's like I go to the guitar center and I was like this one's only three hundred dollars I always wanted to get one of those ibanez five strings.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, like that field you, would you go lower, would you?
Speaker 1:go with a lower five string or a higher five string. Like you know, I'm saying uh, drop d.
Speaker 2:Or like one above, like I would, I would do lower, yeah, because like that's what I usually go to like rage against the machine.
Speaker 1:We're usually like my favorite bass lines to play because it's just kind of like tom rell is going ape shit, making weird noises, and then the rhythm sections was kind of holding it together yeah, yeah, especially because they're like a rap rock kind of group.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were kind of what got me into rap music actually because they were like no shit transferred over there, but yeah so you played bass 14 taking lessons, or you just do yeah, I took lessons for like a year and then, um, I you know, I got into high school at that time and I ended up meeting some of my friends who were into like black metal and death metal and stuff like that. So we made a band and then also like, well, how you brought that up raging as a machine, got you into rap music. Well, I was in like seventh grade, insane clown posse got me into music, which is very funny because there would not be avenues.
Speaker 1:But like you always find, like you reverse engineer from those bands, yeah, right yo and insane clown posse. It's dude, it's nuts.
Speaker 3:It is like the culture they have.
Speaker 1:They can like, bring out danny brown's out there, all that kind of, and it's just like it's the epitome of like you build your lane and they'll come. You know what I'm saying. If you build it, they will come.
Speaker 2:Two years ago I opened for Ouija Mac in Providence Fuck yeah, dude. Yeah, yeah, that was cool, that was a good show.
Speaker 3:And the.
Speaker 2:Juggalos are always mad. You know, the Juggalos are always mad, receptive and they're mad chill. And they're loving and it's just like it's just, you know, people don't people always hate on what they don't understand.
Speaker 1:It's a counterculture and like it's, it still comes down to like. 50 year olds are weirded out when you paint your nails or face you know what I'm saying, like that ass.
Speaker 3:Like you know what I'm saying and uh.
Speaker 1:What's interesting about that, though, is I have friends that'll they'll try, like they want to use eyeliner, they want to paint their nails or stuff, but they're still like self-conscious to the point where, like I don't want to draw too much attention to myself. Like I remember, my buddy had a t-shirt for, like strip clubs. It was like march madness, desire, gentleman's club, foxy lady, like you know, I'm saying it was a fire t-shirt, yeah but, he was still.
Speaker 1:Like I feel weird walking around the mall and there's kids here. You know what I'm saying because, like uh, it is, it is hard and it's. It's hard, like I mean, because I wasn't always dripped out all the time Playboy Cardi made it easier for a lot of people. I was out here hot-topping and backing the day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it's hard. Especially too growing up, if your family's not more accepting of certain things.
Speaker 1:Oh 100%.
Speaker 2:My parents didn't like that I was listening to Insane Compost, or whatever. I couldn't grow my hair past a certain length for a minute until I was like older.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's just like were they religious, or is it?
Speaker 2:like no, that's the worst part. Yeah, so it's just like no we just personally don't like this? Yeah, no, it's just something like that. So it was cool to get into a band and then have that as like all it, but it's just so exhausting. I was playing bass, I was doing vocals, I was managing us, I was getting us shows, working on doing the merch, and it's like all right yeah, getting shows is the hardest part.
Speaker 1:Good on you for doing that, for sure for sure.
Speaker 2:I mean, we were playing dive bars, we were playing like deviate in providence. So we play like some shows in mass or whatever for like local, like events and whatnot, but like once we all started going to college too. Yeah, we all just spread out. Like my guitar player went to emerson, my drummer went to framingham, I was going to bcc exactly you know, it was just like a whole. We're all over the place. So that's when I went into rapping, because, like yeah, you were like okay, they're gone.
Speaker 1:I gotta figure out a way to have this outlet myself, yeah and I took a.
Speaker 2:I took a recording class like senior year of high school and, um, that was cool. And then it kind of got me into like making beats on like mixed craft and then I got into doing stuff on fl studios and yeah, I've kind of just been doing it. You know, obviously I've taken some like hiatuses here or there, whatever some life shit comes, trust me, I've taken like four months off this podcast.
Speaker 1:My buddy doesn't have any social media, so the only way he knows, like I'm alive is like when I post episodes.
Speaker 3:That's when I really was like oh there's a wake-up call.
Speaker 1:I got it, but honestly it's about a little. It's just doing it. Man, like as long as you continue to try, you never fail, like if you're like still out there dreaming it. The only failure is like giving up and be like no, I don't want this anymore right and it's like, and even then you hold yourself back more than anyone else. Oh my God, the fear you know what I'm saying Because, as we talked about, it's like being scared to wear certain clothes and shit like that is kind of limiting your own self-expression.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. For sure, being able to present yourself how you want to do it is like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then doing the.
Speaker 2:I feel like that would just be so hard. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:It's um it's an addiction, it's a need, it's like I just want to be perceived and understood. You know, what I'm saying, like I want to, like I have like basically the intrusive thoughts that amuse me all day, like I'll just think of stupid shit all day and I just need to know that, like other people would think or feel the same way yeah, for sure, for sure what gets me and like if you get up there and it clicks, it hits like fucking crack, like that die bar of four people.
Speaker 3:That die bar of four people.
Speaker 1:One of them laughs like or they're just like ill and I'm like yeah right, yeah, that's it. This is how I win, but it's um but again, but it's, and then we're in a generation where everything's recorded, so it's like that makes people extra afraid to be themselves, because they feel like they got some shirts gonna go down. Yeah, you know, I'm saying, or like they got footage of you at that show where you had a booger in your nose or like you know what I'm saying, like any number of things are like yep, yeah or god forbid, I say something too controversial because and then, yeah, I said that word, it gets out of context like, yeah, they didn't.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, no people, yeah, people don't, I don't know like no again and I'm sorry like it's a stupid way thing to segue into, but oh no, it's, yeah, I mean I, I don't think we should like, obviously don't just say some crazy shit, but I don't think we should be like, censoring ourselves so much like that, because that it's like you're giving, like these well also like some power over it's like yeah like you want to say some someone's retarded or whatever. It's like all right, cool, whatever is all right, you know two things.
Speaker 1:I'll give you the context of it, but also it's sort of like letting society determine what media is allowed to be and how people are allowed to communicate which is because, yeah, and then it's like they're gonna just start censoring everything.
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, exactly. Not even just like one word or another.
Speaker 1:I remember I dunked a basketball in an outdoor court and my friend yelled that's my N-word, and then, like a white lady, came out of her house and said I don't care who's saying it, it was my black friend said it. Yeah, and I don't care who says it, I don't want to hear that word loudly. And now it's such a strangest, like it's the most awkward thing like come on lady get back in your house.
Speaker 2:We're whooping here, yeah right, and it's like the context of saying retard was my friend.
Speaker 1:I had a co-worker say she had a fish with special needs and I said yeah and I was like yes, a dead serious she was like, yeah, I have a fish with special needs and I was just like how could a fish be retarded? The bar is so low for a fish. You know, literally you just exist.
Speaker 2:I mean, how did she determine that exactly that's what I'm saying and also you're doing your fish dirty now too.
Speaker 1:You know, you could have kept that under wraps, be like yeah, it's like my blind, deaf dog. You know, know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, yeah, but that's good dude but yeah, comedy is fun. See, I would have laughed at that. No, no, yeah, but it's also.
Speaker 1:I might have lost them with some stupid jokes before that. It's also in an art gallery.
Speaker 2:That was great Shout out.
Speaker 1:Dame, that was a fun show.
Speaker 3:Where was that?
Speaker 2:That was hygienic art okay, I'm not out in connecticut a whole lot. Most times I'm in connecticut. I'm going to new york. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. Oh, it's dead. I have to drive through state that's a huge thing like I go to so long.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I drive to bridgeport and take the train into new york because I don't want to drive in the city. Also, I like my car, like you know. I'm saying I get nervous and all that bullshit that's fair.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, most of the time I'll just go to, I'll like park, at like a commuter rail station. Yeah, go into like Boston and just hit the Amtrak, it's just easier too, especially when you're in New York.
Speaker 1:I hate driving Like I will drive in New York, but I just I hate it and like, the roads in Connecticut are nice, but again, it's just not fun. No, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:And, like everyone, wants to go north of.
Speaker 1:Boston or a million other things, but yeah, for sure, for sure it's crazy.
Speaker 2:The the music scene in new england, don't get me started.
Speaker 1:Well, rhode island in particular is weird. Rhode island's very strange because, like I said, like no one is dancing, it's just a bunch of people their phones up, like I saw like static dress and uh, yeah, I think it's broken. Vow, like a bunch of like local hardcore bands. My friend shout out sophie. She's like basically she'll be.
Speaker 1:Like I got an extra ticket to a band he never heard of and I'm like I want to go, yeah, yeah, and that's the most fun thing is showing up to bands that you've like never really heard of, because that's like, you know, I'm saying it's organic, you know and that's how you find something new that you would like, yeah, and it's also like, even if you wouldn't listen to it on spotify at work, it's like, oh, going here and seeing and resonating with it. You know what I'm saying. I think uh silent planet. I've seen three times and I barely listen to their music, but they're pretty cool oh yeah yeah, what was the first concert you ever went to?
Speaker 2:um the first concert I ever went to is crazy okay okay, because my parents wouldn't want to go to shows. My dad doesn't like crowds, he doesn't like loud noises, he's very like reserved as a person. He's very quiet, yeah yeah, but um, the first concert I ever went to was in 2012. It was at lupos, which is now the strand yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1:Whatever, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I saw a future there actually nice.
Speaker 2:I saw asap, rocky, danny brown and schoolboy q and this was before. This was before ferg made like shaba or any of that.
Speaker 1:So this was like awesome bro.
Speaker 2:It's like some guy got into a fight with some guy and he like crashed into my shoulder like I was smoking a blunt with my friends, like we were just inside, and he's like I'm gonna fucking kill you. He's like holding him again and I'm like bro what is going on?
Speaker 1:why am I getting a stray on this? Yeah, yeah, I was like yo, he's like I see you in the parking lot.
Speaker 2:I'm going to fucking kill you. He's yelling this around here and I'm like yo. This guy must have fucked up.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't know what's going on. That's like, oh my God, that's like you hit on your baby mama, or something. Yeah, it was a crazy.
Speaker 3:It was a crazy instance.
Speaker 2:I remember that, but yeah, but that was also my first show that I went to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's great to catch people before they hit that ascension. You know what I'm saying. I'm so glad I saw Tire of the Creator before Eeyore and the Grammys and everything you go to oh yeah, it's going to be fucking insane.
Speaker 2:I saw Little Pump there too randomly. I saw a little bit at that show. 2016?
Speaker 1:Yeah dude, did they have the graphic of the giant tiger with laser eyes or something like that? I?
Speaker 2:was the oldest dude at that show. Desto Dub opened for him as well.
Speaker 1:Oh dude, yeah, Little Pump was an era. That was strange, but it also shows one-hit wonder catch a little clout and capitalize.
Speaker 2:And now it's crazy. Yeah, because I met Desto Dub, the guy who opened for him. He does the awful lot of cough syrup. Really um, yeah, was it. Yeah, it was. This was. It was either this year or last year.
Speaker 2:He did a 420 pop-up oh yeah, me and my friend went to see the yankees, yeah, and we got to the hotel and then we went over there on, uh, broom street yeah, nearly soho, that's the most fun shit is when you talk about um, like my, like you go there and it's like, oh, it happens.
Speaker 1:I was in pittsburgh and I just happened to catch, like the ass pizza pop-up, or you know, ass pizza makes clothes yes it's kind of affiliated with ian connor, some bullshit but
Speaker 1:I asked my oldest brother what the best day of his life was and he said he went to see a yankee game in new york city. So he went to the yankee game. And then they're watching it and in the middle of the game the oj shit goes down and they project the bronco car chase on the fucking megatron there oh shit, that's the fucking like you want a yankee stadium watching.
Speaker 2:Oj get chased down, yeah yeah, you know some crazy shit. I feel like almost sometimes I hit like some inception shit like me and my homie will be talking about it, and then something will come up right like yeah, I was like dude, wouldn't it be so crazy if oj was on cameo? We'd get a cameo of him and then he fucking dies. You would buy that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Oh, trust me, it's the worst thing as a creative dude, because you feel like, because we're waiting all day for that to just float into our brains and if we don't, write it down and create it instantly. Or even if you do write it down and start creating it, the world shows it right there.
Speaker 2:And now you have to decide oh, am I going to my idea? That was my billion dollar idea, same thing. Now they're making a.
Speaker 1:Uh, the drunken clam from family guy. That's a bar. Me and my friend were joking about that. What if we just bought some shitty dive bar and turned it into? Yeah, everyone would go there to live out their family guy fantasies, you know? Yeah, right, and now they're doing it and I'm just like fuck man, I was like I gotta stop I gotta stop saying shit out loud.
Speaker 2:Just get it on the, get it on the board. You know they're listening dude phones actually that's true, it was a.
Speaker 1:Chris warren posted an interesting thing, like I'm not trying to get too political, but he talked about the anti-king protest or something that happened yesterday oh yeah, I went to prob the uh yesterday. I happened to catch some of that like yeah, so they said it was actually like um funded by the walmart corporation family. Like the people that ran walmart.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no shit like they're not on your side either so they yeah, yeah, yeah basically they funded it and they said he said, leave your phone at home if you're actually going to go, do that, because they're like trying to ping people's cell phones oh for sure, if you go to a protest, anybody out there, if you go into a protest, don't bring your phone and don't fucking take pictures exactly like don't, don't flex with your poster.
Speaker 2:Yeah, these fools are posting pictures and shit. That it's like you wonder why you get like some shit going on, you know.
Speaker 1:I mean it's all for clout, and clout is the most evil substance that has ever been created. It's so stupid everything's so performative.
Speaker 2:People are just on like performative activism, performative, this performative that nobody actually believes in some shit. And everything got so political after, like the trump election and harambe getting assassinated we have to bring that.
Speaker 1:We got a top. We gotta touch on harambe, on the yeah. Yeah, it's a cincinnati zoo.
Speaker 2:It all changed dicks out forever, you know, oh gosh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was a pivotal moment, though, because that was before the election too yeah, exactly, and that was also when barstool sports started rolling, like you know what I'm saying, which brainwashed, okay. So now, like everyone has their own genre of insanity, that's like oh, yeah, yeah dividing us like oh, if you like barstool sports, you're kind of divided against, like now you're okay, just saying like I listen to part of my take. You're already a republican to people and like other people will dislike you for that right.
Speaker 2:It's like you have to watch who you align yourself with because of. Just because there's not a review is not even your own.
Speaker 1:It's not a conversation anymore, because a big thing is you respect people's opinions If you can have a long conversation with them and they said, ok, look, this is actually what I believe about this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you're bringing it to your level. You know what I'm saying and for me, like I don't look outside too much, I don't pay attention to the media too much, because I'm worried about here now, my own community, my mom's 71 years old, my dad's got a heart condition. You want me to care about who I vote for is not affecting this in my life? You?
Speaker 2:know what I'm saying. I'm sorry. On a federal level too, it does affect us, of course, with all these crazy fucking whatever this's also and like whatever and they want you to get on right now you're spending all of your time researching for an election that happens every four years, and how much of that time could be spent working on yourself in your own community?
Speaker 1:you?
Speaker 2:know what I'm saying. What happens around here is essentially gonna affect us.
Speaker 1:Who's down the street from you, like that needs to talk, or have you know what I'm saying? Or I'm sorry, we're getting to a weird spot and also it's the same thing as like I play like 200 hours of video games I could actually be a successful comedian if I had actually, like you know what I'm saying because, like those are hours, I could have been driving or could have been writing oh yeah, I mean same here.
Speaker 2:Like you know, like I work my regular job as well and it's just like all right, like I could have some more time after to just do more shit, pop out to more events, which I'm trying to do as well.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's work to live and it's also like because there's nothing worse than like you get off work and you're like okay, I gotta go to this open mic, or okay, I gotta go record something, or okay yeah, I work.
Speaker 2:I work remotely too, so it's like I'm sitting in front of a computer, so I'm like, oh yeah, exactly what I want to do.
Speaker 1:Hop on my mac and yeah, do that, hop into fl. I gotta put on my blue light glasses for the 16 hour shift at the fucking Ableton factory.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying? Right, right, yeah. No, that's crazy, but it is all about the drive too.
Speaker 1:Like you, like we said earlier where it's like well, that's, you're only limiting yourself. You know Exactly, and that's the divide between the successful and the unsuccessful. Like it's like no problem with matt rife, but like wild and out, you're grooved by the machine to be like a really good comedian. You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying it's like for sure not to say that you put out eight hours of stand-up in two years. You're working, you're doing stuff, you're popping out like you know what I'm saying. But then the other stand-ups are very convoluted medium right now because crowd work. You could make a tour. There are people that say you can tour and be hacky and successful and you aren't working a real job. But that's not comedy. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I mean, if you're still going out and doing it, then fuck them.
Speaker 1:Oh, exactly, because that's the other thing I'll respect anyone doing anything because you know how hard it is to do this shit. Yeah, because you know how hard it is to do this shit. Yeah, that's why there's a love there with anyone that's like, oh, you're doing something, that's awesome. You know what I'm saying? Because it's so easy to lay down and relax, and even your friends and family will be like you can lay down and relax and you're like I can't, I don't want to. Yeah, I need to do this. Yeah, because there's nothing and it's just going to haunt me for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and that's something I've tried to not have happen. I'm not a person who lives with regrets like that Definitely not a woulda, shoulda, coulda type person. And I mean I feel like a lot of people shouldn't, but it's hard. Sometimes motivation is just hard, like if you're battling some mental health issues or whatever.
Speaker 1:You have some life, shit happen Exactly, and I'm some mental health issues or whatever you have, some life shit happen, like you know, and I'm telling you, like I said, I quit weed back in like around thanksgiving and I stopped drinking a while back and it just feels like they're all steps that allow me to focus more because I couldn't read like I'd be hitting gas all day, bro, and you try reading a book when you're high on weed. I'd hit the same line like four times.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, no comprehension, yeah, like it's just like these and like it's just like these are no, and it's hard Like because again, like if I was smoking the weed they had like in the 90s and 80s, I'd probably be able to like go out and be Socrates like afterwards, maybe they're making this profound super space gas.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like yeah and harder, and it's like you need this 10 second clip of you doing comedy. That's good, versus back in the day.
Speaker 2:It's like you're just friends with all other comics and they put you on right. Yeah, especially because they had a lot more of those groups, yeah, before, like even like the snl shit, or even around them, like those fools were all like plugged into each other and like it's like they're like exactly you know what I'm saying and it's uh, it's a crazy thing.
Speaker 1:So what are? So? What's your favorite backwood?
Speaker 2:Favorite backwood. Yeah, I was the dark stout guy.
Speaker 1:I could never get better than that.
Speaker 2:I do like dark stout. I'll say I got to say Russian cream probably Really, or vanilla. Vanilla is good too.
Speaker 1:I remember being super disappointed by banana.
Speaker 2:Yeah, banana sucked and honey berry. Those were like back in the day when I was like 13, 14, and we'd get people to buy us cigarettes and blunts and shit. They'd always get honey berry, so I got so sick of that flavor.
Speaker 1:Exactly Honey bourbon felt like it was covered in glue.
Speaker 2:I actually smoked one of those last night. I hadn't had one in a while, so I was like you know. It's so thick and potent and I was like into it for a darker leaf yeah, usually.
Speaker 1:So it's like yeah and like oh dude, I got my whole friend group addicted to backwoods because it was like all I would smoke there's something weird about like games were making me cough or feel sick more you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It's like, for some, any of those like the cigarillos, like the duchess and shit like all that stuff, phillies and you know, they don't even like make the flavors for those anymore.
Speaker 1:Really do they smoke papers like where you grew up a lot more, or like because around here a pack of papers is like 21, so blunts were like literally wait really yeah, they tax uh papers as a tobacco product. So like it was 21 for papers, or like you get two cigarillos for two bucks of change that you steal out of your parents, fucking change we used to.
Speaker 2:We used to just smoke. We used to smoke phillies a lot, we used to smoke games or like backwoods. It was just like more of a thing as well. I don't know, I don't know necessarily why, cause then in my early twenties we um, we're smoking raws all the time. We smoke like foot long raws, like there's like a there's a picture of me for, like my, there's a picture of me for, like, we're about to fishbowl my friend's Jeep Going crazy with it.
Speaker 1:The other thing is, I remember Extendo Games or Extendo Dutchmasters. It's the worst way to smoke a blunt in your entire fucking life, dude.
Speaker 2:That thing doesn't hit until you get down to the one blunt anyways, I think the worst blunt to try to smoke is if you unstuff a black and mild yes, if you peel that out.
Speaker 1:We've all been there too. You know what I'm saying, but you think it's such a good idea, although the wood tip's gonna make it so cool yeah, right, you're gonna have, like you already have a filter.
Speaker 2:You could just kind of, like you know whatever, get like a wine one or whatever. But yeah, no, it's just it's not a good idea bullshit like there are.
Speaker 1:They are bad for when you're growing up like that and they do accentuate mental illness and things like that like I'm saying it'll exaggerate, but it's the moment like that night. We couldn't find weed and we all got black and mild and we're smoking and doing smoke tricks in a PT cruiser.
Speaker 3:Like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Those are the memories that, like you, don't remember. Like it's hilarious and it bonds people, Like you know what I'm saying and honestly, if you don't like, for me it was like wanting to go out with my friends, because it's just a more peaceful kind of thing.
Speaker 2:You know what I? It's crazy because kids these days don't have those type of experiences.
Speaker 1:Fools are on like fucking roblox hitting galaxy gas. All types of bullshit. It's all introverted, like yeah, I'm hitting the gas and talking on discord to the gang, like that's it. You know. I'm saying, instead of going out and we need to be soldiers to find this ten dollars worth of weed to smoke one blunt the first time I bought weed was in school.
Speaker 2:I bought it in a computer class. I was in like seventh grade. My friend's just like how he's like, he's like hold out your hand and then you put it in my hand and the desk. I went home and I smoked it with my friends, like after school yeah. But it's like kids aren't even doing that, like they're not smoking cigarettes, they're just getting into like also, you can hit a jewel anywhere you go and it's the same thing as all these.
Speaker 1:I mean, I got the vape now too.
Speaker 2:You know, trying to like my dad's on it too, and I try and shame him out of it, but he's like I got.
Speaker 1:He's like I'm a truck driver. I need something to do with that truck. You know.
Speaker 2:I mean that's fair, and if you can't smoke cigarettes on the truck, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:I was like come on he used to smoke 60 newports a day, you told me holy shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've never hit that.
Speaker 1:I've never hit that benchmark, but it's like oral fixation at that point yeah, yeah, it's definitely a huge thing, he quit because he started riding horses and he was talking to my mom. Mom was like we're raising four kids right now. How are you going to afford a horse? He's like I'll quit smoking. Three packs a day is a good amount of money.
Speaker 2:Dude, I'm trying to find someone to help me film a video, so I want to ride a horse for part of the video.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I haven't rode a horse in a somewhere I think that'd be crazy, that'd be wild. I'll let you know, but it's um. Yeah, another way he quit was he did uh toothpicks and he had altoids. It was kind of like the same menthol feeling. You know what I'm saying yeah, no, it's.
Speaker 2:I mean it's, it's hard. I mean I used to do other drugs as well, my early 20s and stuff and it's like I quit all that. You know I quit all that shit and it's like cigarettes or nicotine in general is just the one thing where it's like that's and they say no one would get sober off anything if it weren't for coffee and cigarettes. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, of course, that's like America's breakfast. Yeah, dude, and I go to fucking, and a lot of other countries too.
Speaker 1:That's Turkish lunch.
Speaker 2:Japanese dinner.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying Everywhere, everything everything and honestly going to bars for open mics and shit like that. It's like I don't smoke cigarettes much, but it's still like those early stages of getting sober I was like red bull cigarette. So I don't look like a weirdo. I need to be doing something here. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, I mean I'll work, I do work. Uh, some shows as well. I do the door for some shows and, like prov and whatnot, a couple of the clubs there, so it's like everybody's smoking cigarettes. I mean there's a guy I work with, he'll just go out and not bring any cigarettes. He'll bum a cigarette from everyone and he's like dude, I'll have to smoke like a pack of cigarettes in the night.
Speaker 3:I haven't had to pay for any and I was like you are, you're playing, You're playing.
Speaker 1:It's also I hate being that guy, lighter too because like I don't have any of this shit too. You know what I mean yeah.
Speaker 2:No, it is a little awkward, but it's like I mean most of the time. It's like someone's not a dick about it.
Speaker 1:I'll give someone a cigarette yeah, 100, fine some people are just like assholes that they push you or whatever or if they say it's my last one, like that's 100 valid too you know what I'm saying, like because, like you're the ones like that does this. What's your favorite brand of cigarettes if you had to pick? Newports, newports newport shorts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, real shit. Yeah, I mean, we're basically out in newport as well.
Speaker 1:My buddy said uh newport shorts are the manly cigarettes, because men have to go do shit like I feel like I'll collapse a lung if I smoke a hundred oh, that shit is such a heavy like yeah, or like feeling any other hundred cigarettes, yeah, the other thing. Or like, when I talked to another, he was like I don't have time to smoke an American Spirit. I'm out there for like 20 minutes.
Speaker 2:I actually do things at my job. I got to get out there. American Spirits are just like the most. Like hipster cigarettes too. You're like oh yeah, dude. I.
Speaker 1:It's almost like having a rollie or something it you know what I mean oh dude, some silly shit yeah it's the funniest thing after a meal, though nothing hits like a good, like digestive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I'm saying, like if you're really loaded, if you're really drunk, it's like you could hit a vape or whatever, but a cigarette's just gonna do the trick like I'll smoke. I'll do this.
Speaker 1:I'll smoke a cigarette after my blunt oh yeah, my buddy was like, yeah, that like gets you the extra high, or it's like yeah, I remember I would be like, oh, this blunt's hitting I feel it in my legs and I realized like that's a byproduct of nicotine poison yeah, yeah, you're just getting like couch locked or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, let's see. Uh, yeah, you're trying to go grab some sushi I could eat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure, yeah, let's get it. We could do a little more after, if you want, but we already chatted like a good like. Oh shit, that's like an hour. All right, one, one sec. Cut this. See, we have to wait for the podcast. We can't talk and interact until it's created this content.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's how I go. Oh my God no.
Speaker 1:No but it's like they talked about like super successful streamers and bullshit and the fact that they live in like empty modern apartments that have like no curb appeal or anything cool in them. Like you, even just lighting, I like a soft yellow coming from the corner, as opposed to that LED frying everything in the building.
Speaker 2:Oh, lighting is huge.
Speaker 1:I was going to say as well yeah, make sure that's on. I think it is. It's on. Yeah, you're on, all right, cool.
Speaker 2:I was going to say too. I feel like that because I went to the Rick Owens store when I was in New York and that was crazy, just like the whole setup of everything, like the like composition of, like the floor plan. They had a fucking fire going yeah, it's awesome, yeah, it was like, and it's like I feel like that is the thing with designers, like a lot of them just live in like a fucking blank room or something the goal is was it rick owens that did like?
Speaker 1:he had chairs in his dressing room that were, like him, bent in some weird ways?
Speaker 2:I don't know if that's let me see mean maybe that could very well be him.
Speaker 1:Rick Owens no worries, chair, let's see, was it? Nah, god damn it. It was like in a waiting room or something like that, or in the dressing room. You go in there and it was just like the guy folded up as a chair, like a cast mold of him.
Speaker 2:That's crazy and that's what you would sit on and shit like that. I feel like that'd probably be like some mason margella sort of thing or whatever some weird, like borderline demonic idea, but at the same time like just cool baller.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like because that's the point is, when you reach these crazy ascensions is like how do you want to make it look like? I went to the vape store when I was in Japan Actually, I was going to say New York they had a conveyor belt. When you walk in and you look down, there's a glass floor and they have all the Bape shoes underneath it. It's crazy. Then I walked around and realized I don't want to spend that much money. Yeah.
Speaker 2:No, but that's a cool experience. Yeah, when I was at Rick Owens, I was just like right, I'm just here to vibe and I mean, did you know he did the adidas shoes right, like that was when we were growing up? Yeah, I have a pair of converse that he did. Um, I'm actually wearing this shit. He did the champion collab.
Speaker 1:This is a champion collab thing that he did it's mad soft dude champion is fucking fire dude. Honestly, the fact that it was all like it's printing on the fact he went from walmart to like the most expensive, like kind of bougie, like tracks it is crazy. Yeah, it's like even like now, nike tech suits are like considered big when it's just like used to be just a champion sweatsuit. That's what you're doing. That and some wee timbs, and then you're right.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying right, yeah, yeah, winter I was trying to think are these like where's the asap rocky ones that, like when we were growing up, there was ones like Wings on the back of it or there was fucking, or is that something, Rick Owens, Am I thinking?
Speaker 2:is it Rick Owens? I think that might be the Balenciaga ones, adidas Maybe, I'm not sure. I know that Balenciaga makes those like light on the back ones. Oh yeah, the Jeremy Scott. Yeah these, oh yeah, the jeremy scott.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those are. Yeah, yeah, oh, it's jeremy scott, not rick owens. Yeah, yeah, like I remember thinking these were the coolest things that ever happened in the world yeah, those are.
Speaker 2:Those are pretty solid. This is like the osiris era too.
Speaker 1:This is when you went to the mall and everything was like an obey snapback backwards. It's crazy where fashion's gone, because now I see like grown people wearing sweatshirts and t-shirts with cartoon characters on them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know right, it is nuts. Because like back in the day, like I mean, when I was like dressing up, like just like dressing myself, whatever, I just have like a band t-shirt and I'd have like some jeans and maybe some Jordans or whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's a culture. At that point it's like oh, I'm literally trying to talk to you about slayer. I hate to like bring it to that point, but it's like oh yeah, I like these things I'm trying to interact with you not like, and I guess it's the same thing. It's just the fact that, like, anime and all these other things have become so prevalent.
Speaker 2:But it's right.
Speaker 1:It's a big crossover with people like generationally as well fashion as an expression, like you're really walking around with the naruto t-shirt every day, like that's like that's the vibe, it's like that meme, it's like that meme dominion or the bob.
Speaker 2:For today, are we rocking the minion or the bob, dude, yeah yeah oh bro, it's really just like and I'm like yeah, blank, no logo.
Speaker 1:Clothes are really slept on now because it's just like um. Ozzy osbourne said yeah, if you want to stand out with tattoos, don't have any you know, what. I'm saying Because, like trust me by now like I've had a million bad ideas for tattoos. I'd love to have my dad's got tattoos. He's got like a bunch of cool ones. He had Yosemite Sam on his arm. I was like it'd be cool to just have the father-son Yosemite.
Speaker 2:Sam, that is actually cool. I feel the same way too because, like I mean, I I like see people online and I'll just be like and I know that they're like younger than us or whatever, yeah, and I'll just be like they're covered in tattoos and I'm just like, obviously, some of them, whatever it's your body, do what you want but I was just like damn bro, and I gotta catch up to you now as far as I go, like I feel, like I've said, it's like a competition, yeah, yeah or I like I remember you were talking about like people feel like they're collecting rappers like pokemon
Speaker 1:cards but there's also the best culture I think for that is people are collecting tattoo artists, like they're going and they're getting I'm getting one from this guy and one from that guy, or like one from this person. I think that's the big thing. Is I go on unfollow sprees on instagram and I'm like dude, I don't want any tattoos. Why am I following like 30 tattoo artists?
Speaker 2:I mean that's fair. That's fair, yeah, and I guess it is sort of a collection thing too, and I feel like it's almost like, yeah, you're going to go see that person, like I found someone I vibe with. Like I said, recently. And that's why I didn't get tattoos for my lungs. I got a couple of stick and pokes that came out like shit and I was just like, all right, I haven't found anybody.
Speaker 1:Then I found somebody and I a therapist. You know what I'm saying. It's just like people that are the same stripper every weekend and tell them their problems. Yeah, exactly, exactly like. Oh, no, I need to go see what star has to say about this yeah, uh how, what's the longest you've sat for a tattoo?
Speaker 2:uh like, I mean, most mine are very small so like an hour max, yeah you know nothing crazy, yeah is the pain extreme or no? No, honestly, I mean I got, I got all these like pretty recently, and then I just got this one on friday the 13th there we go course yesterday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, two days ago, two days ago.
Speaker 2:Two days ago, yeah, it's so crazy it is, but this was the most painful, honestly because it's on my wrist, like that, right on the wrist, straight into the flesh. I was like I was just sitting there and I'm like, oh, this feels interesting. I was like, oh, all right okay, and then? It was. You know it's small, it was done quick, but I was just like okay cool and I respect that you're going with like just straight black.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, no, I don't really because I have a colored one here yeah color is hard to maintain and it's just. This was my first tattoo and it was just so shitty like the black. It felt like she was digging into my armpit oh my god, and she didn't really shade this like the green, like didn't fill it in like that yeah, so I was just kind of like yeah well, the first one's supposed to be a fucked up throwaway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah for sure, now I'm trying to keep it in theme. That's why I go like the spooky.
Speaker 1:So I go like the skeleton, the bats you know, actually I had, uh, my buddy, it was a j4y. He makes some music too up in Providence, j4y.
Speaker 2:J4Y. I was going to say that sounds mad familiar.
Speaker 1:It might just be J, but one sec. Yeah, he was on the show too for the like. He was one of the first video podcast guests. But, like, he has just a little tattoo gun, but he was doing a cool one where it was a Lego skeleton dude. Let's see J4Y. Let's see if I got a picture of him. Let's see he's young as fuck in this. I don't know if he's recognizable, damn, he looks way different from when I was young.
Speaker 2:You got the Vince Carter jersey on Hell, yeah, on the Raptors. That's a classic one.
Speaker 1:This is probably my favorite song by him oh, 15k Going up, yeah, yeah, dude, his hair got way longer and shout out j4y. I saw him. Uh, last time I saw him, I think was at a fontaine's dc show or maybe the basement show up at roadrunner basement. Those are cool hardcore bands. Again sophie brings me to these.
Speaker 2:I don't really know anything, yeah, yeah, yeah I um, I went to roadrunner and I saw mulch adoma yeah, that was crazy and sextile was banned from la.
Speaker 1:They were pretty solid, that shit was sick, yeah but let's see like but I had footage of him. He was like he does tattoos, like a little amateur gun. I probably shouldn't be doxing that. But um, but it was like a skeleton. But it was like a lego format skeleton. He put it on like zagwop kid and his boy after class. It was like nice.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, no, those are cool and it just like went along with the theme of your tattoos and shit like that and um yeah, the cool stuff with that is I feel like I like a lot of concepts you can do, because I know people that like they get sick of their tattoos and instead of like blacking out their whole arm, I like blast overs.
Speaker 2:I think those look fucking sick I know I have one that I want to like cover up as well.
Speaker 1:Well, too technically but we'll flail some chains or some bullshit, yeah yeah, just get something, something to cover up.
Speaker 2:This is so fucking expensive. You know exactly deep down you want a tribal tattoo?
Speaker 1:like you know, the tribal for some reason those things go so hard.
Speaker 2:Dude, I actually do because it's crazy because the flash that I went to they had a tribal design and I was considering it, but it was going to be like obviously same size as a jason one, so I would have been small but I was like considering it, I'm like maybe those got to be big and stupid.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? It's also I like that they kind of everyone shits on me for wanting one too. They're like well this isn't the 90s anymore.
Speaker 2:I'm like fuck you, dude, it is the 90s.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? We're in an infinite cycle of the same years, going back and forth. We're both wearing baggy pants. It's the 2000s right now. Believe it or not.
Speaker 2:It's almost 2030 at this point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, we are in the early 2000s in terms of recycling years. I believe we're stuck in a cycle and different things become them prevalent, like 90, shit is like vintage, yeah, almost, oh, my god, or 80s, at least, about to be fucking uh, able to be fucking antique plates and shit like that as a 2009.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. Oh shit, I mean, mine definitely could be.
Speaker 1:That's the most baller shit you could do, yeah, and they say it's illegal to drive it on any time but sundays. God. What was I gonna say? But no, I always wanted uh who's the guy? And was it? It wasn't ugk, it was um. They did a song about like is there anybody out there? You know what I'm talking about is there anybody out there um?
Speaker 2:not what not ugk?
Speaker 1:it might be. Is there anybody out?
Speaker 2:uh, I'm scared I was gonna say I'm thinking like the pink floyd reference, is it?
Speaker 1:ugk because one of those dudes had like a tribal around their neck. Yeah, no, it is them. No, no, no, no, it's not ugk, god damn it like cky no, cky shout out oh back to the jackass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, because they were talking about like yeah, you know what I'm saying because they were talking about like how cky actually started that whole kind of trend and the fact that they were doing like also a band called pantera you know them with my bag, daryl, and stuff yeah and their tour tapes. That was all kind of like the transcendent of like oh, we're videotaping things we're not supposed to videotape and people want to see it right, yeah, it's like the curiosity peaks and then, especially once they get into like steve-o doing, like doing all the ridiculous shit, yeah, exactly I'm fucking.
Speaker 1:But the other thing is so bam, kind of like pioneered that and they said it's kind of fucked up that he's not in, like the newest one, jackass forever or something, but they're all, I mean I I agree but, their ex is like and I get it, he's smoking crack, he's out there, he's yeah, for sure, like that steve-o kind of fixed himself, you know, yeah, he cleaned himself up and it's just like you're allowed to do that, and he's also doing stand-up more power trivia.
Speaker 1:It's a hard medium yeah, for sure and but also every time you go to a roast, everyone's got a limited ammo to throw at you so you know, I'm saying like you could have stayed in your lane and done better. And I'm sure it's hard to do all those stunts. Sober now, yeah oh yeah of course.
Speaker 2:I mean, there was like the one where he was. I'll never forget the human bait.
Speaker 1:Yeah, where he?
Speaker 2:put the fish hook in his mouth and he hopped in with the sharks. Oh my God, yeah, no, when I was a little kid.
Speaker 1:my family was watching Jackass and they only made me leave for one stunt, and it was. They took like folders and they were cutting the webs of their fingers.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Like that yeah.
Speaker 2:And as an adult I I went back and watched and I was like thank god, they sent me out of the room when I was a child, for that shit.
Speaker 1:Or the one where Bam gets the strong man to knock the dildo up his ass, he's sitting at the top and he's just like oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah dude bro Viva La Bam, and the one about his wedding too, also. I just remembered it was 3-6 Mafia oh, 3-6, yeah, 3-6.
Speaker 2:They made Dave England ate the horse shit. Yeah, for like a couple hundred bucks. Wait what, dave england, one of the guys on there, three, six was on. I think it's the second movie. Yeah, juicy j, dj paul were there, and then they pay him like a couple hundred dollars and give him a beer to wash it down and he eats a piece of horse shit like on camera.
Speaker 1:I will say horse shit is literally the cleanest thing I was gonna say it definitely lot cleaner. It's literally just straight up grass and fucking shit. But again, that is some weird humiliation ritual, illuminati bullshit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's crazy. That was crazy, I think it was.
Speaker 1:DJ Infamous. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure, because he had the coolest tribal of all time and it was around his rip infamous. Yeah, rip infamous. He had like the coolest tribal of all time. It was just like around his neck and I was like yo I want that shit so bad. But again, glad I haven't gotten tatted because I'd have like pink floyd's the wall on my arm and shit too, like if I did.
Speaker 2:That's cool, you know. That's like. I get what you mean, though you really want to be like, yeah, be for sure, set on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we're ever-changing people. You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying Of course.
Speaker 3:We wake up and Pink Floyd is not that important.
Speaker 1:Pink Floyd is not as important as Tyra, the creator. To me, Pink Floyd is not as important as fucking. I was straight edge in eighth grade. Minor threat was a huge fucking important thing in my life. Pink Floyd was just like I don't know. I just like the image of the white wall. That movie was also sick, if you've ever seen it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw it back in the day. I mean, I love that album too, it's a great album.
Speaker 1:And then I remember sliding on my friend that was pretty deep into drugs and he was like I think I'm schizophrenic. He was just listening to Pink Floyd taking acid and then Xanax and acid and. Xanax That'll.
Speaker 2:and I was like, bro, you're, you're making your man yeah, you're like, yeah, you're kind of just putting yourself in that.
Speaker 1:Yeah you're, you're curating, like you know what I'm saying. Like I don't know, but I under also understand escapism and trying to get away from shit. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like trying to like yeah, I feel like that's a big thing with like just music too in general is like it's a big escapism thing. I mean same thing with like any sort of thing, whether you read a good book that like captivates your attention, or you or you have like, yeah, your favorite movie, or whatever Like I would watch the Terminator two judgment day.
Speaker 1:That's like the best film of all time, bro, and it's like and I tried to watch the first Terminator and that's another thing, cause we were talking about like them, taking chances on making like, like, because like, okay, it's not a remake terminator. One is one thing, but then it was a huge success yeah triple the money.
Speaker 2:You know what that cgi of making a liquid metal, man must have cost to make back oh yeah, it's crazy also how far like effects have come, you know how far all the like the practice because they're not a lot of people do practical effects anymore, it's like just because they have access to cgi it's not worth it.
Speaker 1:And it's also like sometimes like claymation takes like eight hours to do like 10 seconds or something like that oh, I did clay.
Speaker 2:I did a claymation project when I was like fourth grade. That shit took forever. It's the most baller shit, or it's like when it comes out good, it's great, but it takes forever exactly, it's just like.
Speaker 1:it's just like how they said we can write books, we can make, we can do comedy, we can record any number of things.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Back in medieval times you made one panel of stained glass that got framed in a church.
Speaker 2:Or like it would take you an entire lifetime to write a book. Yeah, exactly it would literally take you like 60 years to like write a book and you'd basically be fucked at that point because you wouldn't see any success from it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then that's the other thing, because, like hp, lovecraft, all these people, they were like they were making a living, they were just publishing their stories in like pulp magazines which pulp magazines are dead now like, basically, I always thought about that, like it'd be so cool to bring like a fanzine or something like that back.
Speaker 2:But I guess it also goes back to physical media, like I used to go back and buy like the trans world, like skateboarding magazines back in the day who's doing that now?
Speaker 3:who's gonna go and buy like a?
Speaker 1:physical or even like a playboy magazine or something that gave you like a gky or some bullshit magazine with it and like just folding through it. It's just so fun and it like it felt like social media before social media, because you're overstimulated, you have every single thing there and you have it in your hands.
Speaker 2:you can just like look at it. Or then it's like oh yeah, you could put in for this mail-in thing, you could order some shit or whatever. You write your address and they send it out and bullshit like that I had one of them in a vinyl record.
Speaker 1:actually, I was like write what you think about this thing and send it to us.
Speaker 2:My mom, this is funny. My mom gave me this the other day, well, maybe a couple months ago. It's a 1996 Vogue magazine with Madonna on the cover, perfume unopened and everything I did a little day I opened one of them just to smell it because I was curious.
Speaker 3:I was like what is 1996?
Speaker 2:and it does, yeah, and I was just like dude I don't even want to get rid of this thing, because it's just a piece of like history in a sense, and then, like the other thing is surviving that amount of time kind of gives it its own clout too, because there's a lot of it's in bad, good condition.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly because there's people that collect newspapers, but nana smokes cigarettes and they're all like disintegrating yeah, exactly, bathed in a house full of cancer oh yeah, it's a beautiful oh dude smoking cigs inside there's one I've gone to one comedy venue that's uh, in fall river. They do every other tuesday. You can smoke inside. Yeah, you can smoke in the bar. Damn, it's like that's still. It's a proper country. You know, I'm saying it's nice, we were a proper country I actually I went to this place, silhouette lounge in alston.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like a bar. It's been there for mad long to the point where I was sitting there. I would show it was before I went to that uh mulch at doma show because it started snowing, so I was like, all right, I still have like an hour before the show starts, so let me get a drink.
Speaker 1:No, no, I was in, I was in boston oh, I thought you said austin up all, oh yeah all, and I was gonna be like sometimes it snows in texas and then I got to the rxkb.
Speaker 2:Sorry, go ahead no, yeah, yeah, no, if I can't um okay, keep going. Sorry, oh, no, you're good, no, but I was sitting at the bar and, um, I saw a sign and it's like boston, we can quit together stop they had a campaign for the stop smoking shit so that's how long that bar has been there since they stopped smoking inside, and I was just like yo, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:It's awesome and actually a lot of the anti-drug stuff like let's see if I can find a Charming's House or something like that House.
Speaker 3:It is, this is random, they did.
Speaker 1:It's very good. The Soviets I can't find it. It's the Soviets did anti-drug and alcohol programs and it's like the fire most fire posters you'll see in your life.
Speaker 2:hell yeah, shout out soviet union one time oh yeah, hey man, they had some great ideas. I know, I know a couple people in russia actually shout out to them yeah, it's uh honestly.
Speaker 1:I had a producer on his name was a baron. I know a bunch of people that are baron.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I played a show with him. Yeah, like edm kid, he's like tall, he's got like glasses, kind of like a white kid baron sonics I don't know, maybe it's not the same person. I don't know, let's check, let me see. I was gonna say, because I played it, he, if it is the same person he played with me, uh, for but he's a pure dj. He just does like oh no, this is a sonics. Yes, different guy, different guy. He spells it with an en, not an on I could be misspelling it too.
Speaker 1:Don't get it, fuck like uh, and then I can't even find my own podcast.
Speaker 2:That's crazy the algorithm wants us to see whatever, I guess burying me.
Speaker 1:But okay, why the fuck are we back on this? All right, so we're going here. And then it was objects lighting, merch, god damn it. Where's the art, posters and prints like this stuff? The soviet public health?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, they had one that was like an anti-drinking one.
Speaker 1:I saw that was sick um, the stuff just just goes so crazy because again before, like the complicated, even drug ads were sick when they were growing up, like those dare ads, like I remember the one with the girl.
Speaker 2:She's flat on the couch type shit.
Speaker 1:Or did you ever hear the band called fiddler? Fiddler called?
Speaker 2:Fidlar, Fidlar yeah.
Speaker 1:They did a video that was literally all fucking drug ads.
Speaker 2:The first one I haven't heard of these guys in a while. I haven't heard mention of these guys in a while.
Speaker 1:Not really. That's the live performance version of it. They might have gotten rid of it because it was so trademarked. It was Henry Rollins saying you might take meth. Rid of it because it was so trademarked. It was like it was henry roland saying you might take meth because of how it makes you feel, but this is how it feels to your heart and there's like an engine exploding and bullshit like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just like the classic. Like this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs.
Speaker 1:If I can break the egg in the pan, craziest one I remember is like there's a ad about percocets and it was this dude breaking his own leg to get a Percocet prescription.
Speaker 2:You know what's funny? I saw this recently. I saw a bus when I was out in Bristol area and they had real Xan versus fake Xan, and they had it in Spanish on the side of the bus. I'm like wait, what year is it 2017? Why is there an ad about fake Xan?
Speaker 1:in front of me right now. That's nuts. Another thing is dude. I'm glad I didn't jump on the pill wave too heavily Like. I've probably taken a handful of them in my life and some of them were definitely just said Xanax on them and they don't say Xanax on them when they're actually Xanax. Yeah, I mean, I've had. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:And I like to say this. Not like to say this, but I say this about people, Some people you can just tell they're just like perma-fried.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like you're, like yo this person is. It's called wet brain. That's what they. Yeah, your shit's just like Swiss cheese, you're just like fried Exactly, and that's one of my deepest fears is actually like I'm deep down.
Speaker 2:I feel like I'm like halfway there. Yeah, exactly Like we feel like I'm like oh, they can tell that I'm not all there.
Speaker 1:But, like you know what I'm saying, it's just the basic insecurity of feeling retarded that we all have. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:For sure. And it if you're like talking to someone and you have no idea, or like you're with a group of people. They're talking about something, you have no idea what it is, and you're just like, fuck, I'm stupid as shit.
Speaker 1:Oh well, yeah, it's just like my friends used to be wicked into football and I resisted it for a really long time and then I finally decided to join the cult and like, start understanding football. But like before that it was just like they're saying odb, odb, and I was like old 30 bastard, right, yeah, right, no.
Speaker 2:And it's like odell beckham jr uh, yep, yep. See, I didn't even, I didn't even think about the correlation and then I was also. I also watched sports back in like when I was a kid. So like I only get like you had a lot of their early 2000s uh yeah, I've always I used to love um hideki matsui, or like uh, derrick jeter, of course farhay posado. That team was great. Yeah, I mean sure the red sox beat them. Shout out to red sox for that, yeah, but 2004 we believed?
Speaker 1:yeah, we believed, but what about? How about football? Do you watch any of that shit? Or you have teams for that?
Speaker 2:not really big into football. My dad's a huge patriots fan, just like I. I give mad respect to tom brady.
Speaker 1:He's definitely like in my opinion, all the time or and we already discussed how. I talked about that earlier, we already discussed that I hate that like he tries so hard, though, like you know, I'm saying like he was on.
Speaker 2:My friend has watched this. I've I've found I've done this against my will, but sometimes mr beast, because he has a tv show tv channel yeah he'll be on because, because he has like roku or whatever, tom brady was on an episode.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, dude, yeah, mr beast is an interesting concept because it's like it makes you really realize that, like some people transcend um, when you can go to multi-platform like non-english speaking people, I would see watching them on their phone at work while they're working you know I'm saying they're watching.
Speaker 2:Right, they're watching, mr beast, and so yeah, and now like now, that's crazier it's like the social experiment guy. He's essentially like that guy now yeah where he kind of social experiment guy you remember that guy back in the day he was on youtube? He was like, was like oh, this is a social experiment. And then he's going to do something where he's going to touch a girl in public or something and try and see how people react.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, Something like that. He was one of the first. I don't remember his name, but he said this is a social experiment and you just walk up To see people are passive and shit like that. Yeah is like the same thing where it's like oh yeah, hey, you want to get five million dollars, you gotta go through. We're gonna put you through all these tests and everything and we create adverse situations to make you.
Speaker 1:I mean and that almost makes sense, because there's like we talk about athletes risking their life and brains for like millions of dollars- oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then it ends with the like what happens with the? What's that condition?
Speaker 1:yes, yes, yeah, yeah look at antonio brown, dude, you know who antonio brown is. Yeah yeah okay, great wide receiver for the pittsburgh. He's got a murder charge right now because someone tried to snatch his chain and, like I was talking to someone, it's the funniest thing. Like, can you imagine a worst athlete to try and snatch the chain of like?
Speaker 2:this dude can run a 4-0 flat like you're not getting away.
Speaker 1:But, moreover, he didn't even do that. He just put out a gun and started popping at the motherfucker like yeah, I mean, it's just, it is crazy.
Speaker 2:It's crazy too, how now, like that seems to be like more like people are just a lot more hot-headed with things, where it's like yeah well, people aren't like fighting anymore, people are just straight up like shooting yeah even snoop dogg said that the transcendent of like it was like oh, we fought, they fought, and it's over now.
Speaker 1:It's over Now. It's like they fought, they feel disrespected, they come back with a gun.
Speaker 1:Now you have to ride out and kill their cousin. Now you have to ride out and kill their cousin. Meanwhile you're going to jail and they're making 50k a year off you being in jail and no one is happy and your kids are starving and have no fathers and fight someone else. The thing that makes no sense to me is it's the people that are like if I brought these microphones on the street and just try to go out ruining people's relationships, or like you know what I'm saying like you see, those guys like the micro content, like the people that made like the hawk to a girl yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That's the shit I hate that sort of shit. It's just like because you know you're just saying shit to say it, like the guys that go to like the pride rallies and ask like stupid questions to people.
Speaker 1:It's just like you know, you're just trying to get some reaction for your during a pride month, but I just remembered a scene in the office that is like the funniest thing of all time to me. It's like michael scott you remember like and then he's like I am so sorry that I offended you that he kisses oscar like. He's like. Can you explain what gay sex is to me sometimes? I don't understand how it works and it's like the pure ignorance of that was just the funniest fucking thing yeah but I totally lost up.
Speaker 1:But it's good and it's also you're putting people in these adverse situations, like I remember there's a big story about like kids, like trying to like they make content, just annoying people at the mall. You know I'm saying yeah and they try to bother this door dasher and he was like leave me alone three times and then shot the kid in the middle of the mall. It's like fuck around to find out.
Speaker 2:That's the thing too. It's like like I said too, it's like the the guy will go up, like like. I've seen one where it's like a guy and his girlfriend are like riding up the escalator, yeah, guy's coming down, he touches the girl, yeah, and it's like, oh, it's just a prank, and the guy jumps over the escalator, starts trying to beat his ass.
Speaker 3:He's like no, it's just a prank, it's like dude, you shouldn't go around unconsensually literally sexual assault.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like, bro, like if you ask them ahead of time then made it look like that.
Speaker 2:Sure, but they never do, they just do it. And it's like these kids like put their phone up, like oh, it's just a prank.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That's not, I'm safe. I'm safe, you're on camera, I'm safe.
Speaker 2:You're on camera, bang. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:yeah, no, this is yeah, it's um or there's another one where it was like this guy if you don't bring your shopping cart back to the shopping cart thing you know I'm saying in texas he's like he puts bumper stickers on your car that say I'm an asshole. And he tried to do it to this guy in texas that's the wrong place to do shit like that.
Speaker 1:Literally are you kidding me and yeah this guy's like get the fuck away from my car. He's like I'm putting this magnet on your car and then, like the guy pulls a gun, points it at him and the guy runs to the other end of the parking lot where police are and they're like you're trying to touch a guy's car yeah right, what are you doing like? What do you think this machine is?
Speaker 1:protecting you for like you know what I'm saying, like you aren't allowed to be a silly billy or like an idiot or something like that yeah, you can't be harassing people like yeah, yeah, for sure a mutual respect is really what we're going for.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying, like yeah, I mean that definitely is the thing, because I feel like up here, right like, say like road rage, for example, you could flip someone off, you could beat bad them. Most of the time no one's gonna do nothing. But like down south, out there like, or when I was in florida, and stuff like oh somebody could actually pop me, if I, if they like it.
Speaker 1:No, it's the funniest thing, because my dad pulls over like every time and he's like no one wants to fight me now I'm an old man. He's like sad that he can't like crash out.
Speaker 3:It's like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I know Things are definitely different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Also like pulling over and like aggressively wanting it too.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:You know what I like flicking someone off with like someone like, oh, I've been waiting for this.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, I want to ruin my life right now, please dude. A fedex truck tried to pull out in front of me the other day like off the highway. I got big yeah and I was like I'm just coming straight there's no one behind me. I'm like you could have waited, and then I'm like I put on my brakes and I'm like. So what like?
Speaker 1:bro, like and look at my car. Like these brakes could have failed and we'd all be in trouble. Right now it's also, but I feel like I would have just sent it.
Speaker 2:I would have pinned it to like I would have. You know I've hit 100 in that thing before. I don't recommend it, but I have also yeah, I had a santa fe.
Speaker 1:It would shake at 70 miles an hour. It's a great feeling yeah, but um, I feel like the more people are forced to be on the road, the less they care, like those motherfuckers in amazon trucks I drove for amazon.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it sucked. I did it one month. It was terrible.
Speaker 1:That's the one job I've gotten and rejected. I remember it was like peak covid. I went over for an interview with the warehouse and they were like everybody here is hired.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just like and I was like we're in a room with like it or like end of 2020. Um, I did for like a month yeah and my route was cape cod, so I went to falmouth and sandwich and centerville and everything yeah, fucking terror, those are long rides, huh yeah, because I would leave from, like middleborough, so that's where the depot was, or whatever so drive down there, so it'd be an hour before my first delivery stop. So I I'm just bumping music, I'm hitting the vape yeah exactly, it's a good little vibe.
Speaker 3:But, it's also I did.
Speaker 2:I spent at least two hours of my day just driving just to get there.
Speaker 1:Alternatively, I had a great job when I worked for UPS. I picked up, basically so I would take my car and I would go meet the big brown trucks and they would give me however many packages I could fit my honda oh, you did like the rescue sort of thing, yeah, like yeah, like whatever they could fit in my honda accent and I was just like bet.
Speaker 1:They gave me 50 cents per mile. I drove and it's like I'm in my own car too. So you know, I'm saying I'm going to get coffee and shit and it's all again local shit a lot.
Speaker 2:It's a lot more chill. Yeah, yeah, I give it out. Shout out to the delivery people out there because last time when I was in New York, I was just observing.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And dude, I could not imagine doing any of that stuff in New York city. Dude, it's like, just imagine that.
Speaker 1:Like, just bro, just getting. That's the other thing about the city Just getting packages delivered.
Speaker 2:Like I mean, there's so much stuff going on too. It's just like there's nothing you could do about it.
Speaker 1:Up here they had someone they called the Portsmouth Pirate and they were caught on ring cameras and shit like that stealing, and it was just such a big that's a big thing in mass too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, that's a big crime package theft.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, dude, because you don't know what's it could be medication to save that up here. It's kind of a big deal, but it kind of reminds me of in japan. There was someone that was like at a public restaurant and licked a soy sauce container and it was like an international incident it is, it is crazy because they're so.
Speaker 2:I mean they're so safe. And I would say new england too. We're relatively like safe.
Speaker 1:There's a, you know, there's basically like a standard for humanity, like we expect you to try and be a good person out here, like at the very least.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right like obviously we have our crime, we have our spots, but it's not like. It's not like some la, it's not like some like chicago or something like that. There's much gang affiliation like p diddy's not running around up here no, I mean, there are like I I definitely know some like gang folks like up in, like uh, like mattapan dorchester and stuff like that but it's not like it's not like the la shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's definitely not the same thing in new york too, and even like. The worst shit I heard is like my bro lived in like dorchester by the methadone mile and shit like that's where I lived.
Speaker 2:I lived right where there's a giant pear statue. I lived like across from that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like there's got like the mark walberg's burger place, there's a starbucks there and shit like that yeah, but he was like yo, I have a private garage and they broke into my garage, broke into my car and got my phone and shit like that, like it's crazy. You know what I'm saying? Because but it's not doesn't feel like true crime, because it's desperate drug addicts yeah, it's people.
Speaker 2:I mean it's crazy because we live there during the pandemic. Yeah, and these fools would light off mad fireworks on my street to hide gunshots. I I remember one time I was on because I lived on the third floor. Yeah, I was smoking a cigarette outside.
Speaker 1:Shooting fireworks to hide gunshots is some next level big brain shit. It was crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was crazy Because I'd go out the next day for work and I'd see like M80s and shit just all on the sidewalk and I'm just like, oh shit, fools are like popping off.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 2:I buy weed, you know whatever, but one time I smoked a cigarette outside and there was like a like I'm looking this way, the balcony is like facing the backyard, yeah, and then there's another house directly across from it and then I see some dude run, jump the fence, get caught by the seat of his pants on the chain link fence get himself off wedgie, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then starts running through our yard and I'm just smoking a cigarette. I'm just like sitting there looking, I'm just like yo, what the fuck? And then I just see blue lights, like immediately, and I was just like well, I was like yeah, didn't you? You guys like to my roommates and shit. I was like do you guys see that?
Speaker 1:I was like fool, just definitely popped someone just like ran television right next to my house, literally, and that's like that's what you go outside and see when you don't have, like a iphone, inside mean everybody, but that's the thing is like living there.
Speaker 2:Everybody was always cool. I never ran into problems. We had some girl OD on our porch one time. That was weird. She just ran away too. We're going to try and help her. My roommate came upstairs.
Speaker 1:He's like dude, some bitch is ODing on our porch and I was like all right, well, let's go fucking, you could sit on whatever dude passed out on our front lawn like a homeless guy and like went out like we had a german shepherd at the time, like let the dog out, scared him away and then, like my dad, felt bad and tried to find him to be like hey, all right you know?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's like you know what I'm saying but people are so scared of like because, alternatively, there are people that'll like throw fucking shit at you from being on their lawn and shit like that oh yeah, for sure, it's like the spectrum of kindness that you got to live with, especially if you're in an adverse situation like that yeah, yeah, because you never know too.
Speaker 2:Because then also, like that person might not think, be it obviously in their right mind or something, they could lash out at you for helping them and they don't understand that you're helping them.
Speaker 1:You know, it's like it could get twisted scary like thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure dude.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, do you have anything you're listening to at the moment? That's like really captivating your hung up on provoker.
Speaker 1:Right now there's my favorite band. Like I said, I saw them live yeah um, I, I kind of stopped the joe rogan experience. Uh, big rhyme war, is that how you say? Grim more uh, uh, grimoire, grimoire. Yeah, because I have to do my research before this. I was spinning on that. Yeah, dark grimoire is cool. I have to do my research before this, so I was spinning on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dark grimoire is cool. I like that.
Speaker 1:I think it's probably one of my best, if not the best thing I've done so far I kind of dove into the whole memphis scene for some reason, like I really liked, um, my friends obsessed with bones. But then I get into the chris travis's and the fucking xavier wolves and shit. So I like I fuck with a lot of that shit. There's a lot of aggression there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like a lot of the early Memphis stuff too, like the old shit yeah.
Speaker 1:Like Thomas Wright, the third yeah.
Speaker 2:Thomas Wright, the third.
Speaker 1:Um, there was this guy, psycho he, you know they have the Memphis rap sigils or whatever he intense thing and it's like I feel like production back then was in we say limiting, but like you kind of get a freedom in the limitations of what you're using, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:well, they were cutting all those samples too, like all that shit they were taking from records, and, having done that myself, like trying to take like something from an actual record and then put it it's dude, it's, it's a lot, and I couldn't imagine, because obviously the technology we have now is way better yeah, whereas back then it was like yeah, it's just like uh, we complain about all the fucking great things we have but, also I'm fucking.
Speaker 1:I get the shit downloaded to my phone because I don't have service at work. Foreign exchange rx. Poppy giant heaven probably my favorite, one of my favorite records I own oh, yeah, yeah with uh, produced by good. It was like oh dude, heavy emotions and I do you like rx poppy as much, or like yeah, yeah, no, he's cool, he has that song um therapy session.
Speaker 2:It's like 18 minutes yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:Oh, dude, if you're working out or some bullshit, that'll get you all the way through oh yeah, yeah, I'll put that on for like a drive or whatever.
Speaker 2:It's like all right. Yeah, like I've been like a 30 minute drive and like okay, well, I'm almost there because the song's over, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, another thing thing is my buddy told me is a good idea. Like if I got up in an open mic and just started reciting that word for word you could like going through the entire thing, but now all the open mics get mad if you say the n-word. So I could probably have well, yeah, yeah the definition of stallion is male horse yeah, that shit I hate.
Speaker 2:When my bitch tried to bump the baby, like oh dude, I said that to my friends last night I was like if a bitch tried to bump the baby in my car I'm throwing her out, like I'm not trying to listen to that guy at all, but it's also it's like there's an intensity there and it's uh the word they use is urgency in his delivery on a lot of his songs.
Speaker 1:That kind of like make it intense and they kind of bring you there.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm saying yeah, no, you can tell that he's just like. It's like a stream of consciousness sort of thing.
Speaker 1:He's just saying literally what's on his mind yeah, and my and I was talking to dame because he's like yo don't play it, nephew, don't play poppy, it feels like shit post music, but I was like I love this shit yeah it kind of is.
Speaker 2:I mean same thing with christ dillinger too. Like I remember when I, when I opened for them, he was playing, uh, they played a song and they had them like dim the lights of the show and him and acid soldier was just like fuck music, yeah, fuck music, and they were like I hate music. Well, and it's just like you could tell that they're just having fun with it.
Speaker 1:But they're also, I think, taking a jab at like exactly the industry too, where it's like everybody takes themselves so seriously and again and that's the same emotion as, like when I saw odd future, yeah, when I saw them at lupos back when it was lupos yep, they played rebecca black's friday yeah, everyone lost their mind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's like you just gotta have fun.
Speaker 1:Like you know what I'm, saying yeah, because everyone's like mad, intense and taking shit mad seriously. They're like, oh, this is art. It's like if you're not enjoying yourself, no one's gonna enjoy what you're doing. The best one I saw was I caught city morgue up in boston. Oh yeah, they played the jellyfish song from fucking spongebob squarepants dude it was like, yeah, that's sick, that's sick.
Speaker 2:I actually watched this guy. Um, like I said, I'm into like black metal music. Yeah, I've seen the band emperor twice. I met them. That was really cool, solid guys, you know. Yeah, um, but they had this bass player from the band back in the day mortis.
Speaker 1:He makes like this music called dungeon synth which is essentially like it's 8-bit music for like the background of like dungeons and dragons, and shit, yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 2:So he's like a pioneer for that and I saw. I went to a concert and he also makes like industrial music too and I was hoping to see that, but it was just straight dungeon sense.
Speaker 1:So I was like it's hard this is kind of like because I'm like, I'm like, at least like nodding my head or something I'm looking around and everyone's just standing there and I'm like, damn, I look so out of place like I'm trying to like, trying to enjoy it and see if other people they're just standing there staring at it, you know. And then he even he didn't.
Speaker 2:He just said like the few uh lines for the songs that he had, like some vocals, and he didn't say anything else and then he just walked off stage but. I was like I get it. I guess because his image he's like, he's trying to be this, like standoffish, like troll, looking it's like creature.
Speaker 1:I was talking to my friend, I was trying to do like an interview with joey and he was like he's trying to maintain a mystique and like, if you talk to him, if he has like an extended, hour-long conversation like this, it kind of exactly, yeah, you know what I? Mean like, because this is what we're kind of tearing away by like being actual people.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, right, right, like I could. Just you know, I could have came in here and fucking just sat here and not said anything, yeah chain smoked and been like yeah yeah, or it's like on the adam 22. Thing I don't like him very much. I don't particularly care for him either like right from the beginning.
Speaker 1:I've seen three. I watched the slug christ episode, I watched the lucky episode and I watched the dash episode, because those are like just three artists I really fuck with and we're also going to see those interviews. But my nephew's being into Skrilla and he was like yo, you got to see this guy on fucking Adam 22.
Speaker 2:And Skrilla was just ripping whippets until Adam 22 was like begging him, like please stop, I'm trying to talk to you, yeah like it is weird too, because I mean I've, I've recorded places as well, like, and then the engineers would be like, oh, you're so good, like you're on time, like you're not like spending 20 minutes rolling up. And I was like, yeah, I mean I'm also paying for the time, but like I'm trying to get work done.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to waste your time or my time bro, and I'm telling you success wise, that's 80 of it. If you show up, you have the right attitude and you treat this like a fucking job. Yeah it's important, like you know what I mean like figure out a day that works, have tremendous respect for anyone that you work with.
Speaker 1:Thank you for being you know, I'm saying like literally exactly, and we're just trying to show love and positive connections, and they say that a lot of it is being in the right place at the right time, being likable and people would be willing to work with you.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying? Because it is, it is definitely that, yeah, I would say it was um.
Speaker 1:I think it was chuck berry, keith richards and the rolling stones.
Speaker 2:His idol was chuck berry yeah, yeah, I don't know if you've heard much about chuck berry, but he's a total douchebag apparently oh really I didn't know that I do know that keith richards said that that was his idol.
Speaker 1:I do remember so he refuses to do shows unless you pay him in a big bag of money with the money side on it and he needs to come out. Grab that, put it in his car and then he'll come out and play really, yeah, that's like.
Speaker 2:That's like the most like cartoon sort of shit I've ever heard, but also that sounds like a family guy's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly back in the 1950s you get away with that bullshit, but it's also like yes and then like so, keith richards, like I want to play with chuck berry. So you had to pay him to come play with them. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:And it's like oh, I mean that's, that's kind of nuts, that's, that is, that's a baller shit, but that is crazy. But I just feel like too a lot of the people at least, like with the industry, like whatever industry it is, whether it's art, music, adult content, creating yeah, people are just mad fake. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like everyone's just trying to get a leg up on somebody else.
Speaker 1:Where it's like if you are genuine, it seems like it's a lot harder for people to just if you're being you, because I remember I talked to a guy about hack comedy or like if you're trying to steal other people's bits, is you'll? It's not you, so you're gonna run out yeah, of course, yeah. You can't just like rip off of everyone else like you can do your best, best impression of someone like that, but in the end it's still got to be like you doing your impression of that.
Speaker 2:If you're doing it word for word, you're not being yourself like right, and there's a difference between like paying homage, yeah, versus just straight ripping someone's shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Or like the beatles tried to do a song to sound like the beach boys, like you know what I'm saying like they're like we want to do.
Speaker 2:Harmonies like that, that's fucking great, and it's like being inspired by, as opposed to like, fully ripping off that's kind of how I feel about like virgil with the off-white thing, like where it's like he's like has like the three percent rule, where he's like all right, I'll change it by like three percent, yeah, but it's like, at the end of the day, fool. Originally like started out just buying like ralph lauren polos and putting like a logo on it and selling it like for like quadruple the price or something it's like and whatever works, but again I like virgil, I'm not gonna buy anything off white.
Speaker 1:The funny I have one off white shirt, but that's it the shoes were cool and I liked the industrial kind of like. That was probably the last hussar for fashion for me, because right now it's like basically most of women's clothing it's like truly transparent, like you're just showing a beautiful naked woman at this point.
Speaker 2:It's not about framing her anymore or stuff like that yeah, for sure, I hate what he did with the pop smoke record, the cover if you look up design that the virgil pop smoke like cover. Um, it just looks so tacky. It looks like some shit you'd see on a t-shirt is this like the post-humor album or whatever.
Speaker 1:Yes, virgil pop smoke album cover like it just looks so bad bro.
Speaker 2:This is the most like, so like yeah, like I'm like all right, dude, this looks like some shit I'd wear. I went to his funeral and got a t-shirt type shit.
Speaker 1:This would be baller as a PlayStation 1 game cover.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 1:Pop Smoke. The video game let's see it made me think of. Let's see, 50 Cent had a video game. Oh, Bulletproof Blood on the Sand is what I heard. Oh, he had another game. Yeah, dude, what 50 was going crazy dog. I didn't know, I thought he just had bulletproof. I didn't know he had 50 cent video games. Let's see how many you did. Because this was hilarious, because, like I remember g4 watching fucking oh oh yeah, I remember that back in the day I love that shit g4.
Speaker 2:Yeah, g4 was sick. It's so crazy. All that shit's just like not a thing now. Now it's like you gotta go to like well, I don't even know who does like video game reviews like, well, video games, or video game reviews.
Speaker 1:Now it's asthma gold on a fucking computer, like I don't know. If you know who that is, who is it?
Speaker 2:it's like you work our, you follow individual streamers and they're like yeah, true, like you watch the playthrough, like I watched, like markiplier play through, like resident evil or something, yeah, and I hate it, and south park did the best thing about it, where they talked about like wow, people aren't even playing video games for themselves being losers.
Speaker 1:They're watching other people play video games yeah and I get it.
Speaker 2:It's like my sister is kind of like that. She doesn't like I've tried to get her to game because she has a game cube so I bought some old games and like been showing her stuff that like I would play yep and she doesn't really get like the. You know, like you move the camera as well like simultaneously.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a whole spectrum of like having to do hand-eye coordination yeah, so she'll just sit and watch me play and she does that too. She just watches like streamers, like play games and stuff. I'm like that's cool for people like if that's really like, they're just not into like the physical aspect of it but it's just like damn.
Speaker 3:I feel like I'm like. Now I want to play.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like you know the gamer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, you're waiting for your turn yeah, to be like in the driver's seat and stuff like that. But it also comes back to what I talk about parasocial relationships a lot, because it's like you're doing things without the risk of them going wrong, like when you learn about a celebrity or you listen to a podcast and like learn about that person, you just sit there and you form your own objective opinions about them and you don't have any dialogue with them.
Speaker 2:That can go right or wrong yeah, maybe you're like talking to the tv or the screen being like I agree with you or whatever, but then it's just like okay, they're not right now.
Speaker 1:He's so right about everything.
Speaker 2:It's just like yeah, they're not gonna. Nobody's gonna.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no one's gonna call you on that, or he Kanye's going to be like I was tripping when I said that you know what I'm saying Because people change, but it's also when you're watching someone else play a video game. You're like I could do this way better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's how I feel, Dude, how did?
Speaker 3:you not see?
Speaker 1:that item in the corner.
Speaker 2:True, it's just like dude, like uh, I mean I guess it depends on who you watch, but yeah, I just think that that's like such a tasteless sort of fucking medium, medium, yeah, it's also anything beats a day job I know for sure, and I mean I can at least support it, because at least I mean you know it's cool to make money off something like that, like the content you're making, but it's like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:We do need doctors, plumbers and lawyers yeah, it's like that, I mean I think we could live without lawyers actually it's like we can.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, lawyers and lawsuits, we could live. We live without that. That's fine, but what I'm thinking more like is it is sad.
Speaker 1:I just can't believe that that culture let that happen. Like I, like we say, I watch streamers but I'll never like pay them to say my name or like send them advice, questions and shit like that. You know what I'm saying? Like yeah, like how do we get to that point?
Speaker 2:we're like the same thing with like twitch, like oh no, everyone's just sitting on twitch giving like donations to people with this to that it's just like it's all like like we were saying earlier. It's all just like commodified, like. Everything is like uh instead of like oh, I'm just playing games with my friends and we might like go live, or something and it's like just us having fun. It's like no, we have to go live yeah, we have to play for two hours.
Speaker 2:You need to overreact when they kill you, you know we have to like have a bit and it's just like, yeah, and it's not tiring anymore.
Speaker 1:It's performative, as we've talked about yeah, right, and also there's like the idea of sending money to these people. It's just like because money is literally life force at this point, you trade like everyone's scamming their way into money and all this other shit.
Speaker 1:Of course, but in the end it's literally, money is like a life force that we're exchanging, like whatever skills you spend your time to learn whatever refinement thing, whatever you did to get that remote job Yep, it is you giving your time and sitting there and being available and it's honestly it's gotten harder because it used to just be being a plumber and being available for them to call you at any time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, or like all right, you got the. You know, you got the job. I like the supermarket. You just walk in clock in there you go, you know what you're gonna do with it exactly just being able to dude.
Speaker 1:I really think everyone needs to work at a restaurant for like one year. Like you know, I'm saying just to like I've never.
Speaker 2:Like I was telling you earlier, I've never worked in food, but I have like mad respect for servers and staff because I'm like I know, like sometimes you know like I'm a pretty reasonable person I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, shit on someone if my or like we didn't get our drinks earlier, like I felt bad about asking about it. Yeah, people get on edge too. Especially when you're hungry, all the empathy in your brain goes away.
Speaker 2:It's fucked up right, yeah, and especially if your order goes wrong. The same thing with like baristas, like I can never be like a coffee person because I'm like, all right, that's the first line of like you're seeing someone who the hard part for me is I, I really want to people, please, and I want everyone in the world to like me and be my best friend, while I'm the same way and make people laugh, but then I feel so bad if I fuck up someone's order or something like that that you kind of got to get into an us and them mentality.
Speaker 3:But I just want.
Speaker 1:I think people should be forced to work in restaurants, because you'll see alcoholism, you'll see drug abuse drug abuse.
Speaker 1:You're going to. You're going to eat, like someone said, you just got to not smell bad. Remotely groom yourself and someone will find you attractive. You know what I'm saying Like room yourself and someone will find you attractive. You know what I'm saying like things like you learned basic, like I have to go make myself presentable for my food service job, and also being forced no one interacts anymore and being forced to interact with like a couple hundred people in a day.
Speaker 2:Dude, you'll get over that social anxiety oh, yeah, for sure, because you just gotta do it, yeah. And it is different, like if you're working like remote or you're, yeah, you're just doing stuff with, like screens or you're calling someone or whatever.
Speaker 1:It's way different Kids doing call and Zoom classes and shit like that.
Speaker 2:But the other thing is that shit's crazy. Oh dude.
Speaker 1:But you know what I'm saying. The other thing is because I got that skill from. Oh, I'm supposed to be here. Why are you here? What do you need?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:And that's really a beautiful thing for me, but I have to pee, so we can wrap up a little bit. Okay, plug your album All right.
Speaker 2:So I just dropped this release called Dark Renoir. You can get it anywhere. You can get music Everywhere shit's streaming Everywhere, yeah. On all those random weird things like Deezer or whatever.
Speaker 1:You got real deep on it, bro. I'm on this Apple podcast and shit. Yeah, no, we got Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, all that. Yeah, you don't have any music videos out. Huh, I have one. I have one music video. Yeah, I was trying to find it here. What is it called?
Speaker 2:It's called just look up Big Rhyme, Take my Hand, That'll come up.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:That song. That's one of my other favorite songs. I like playing that one live. It's a fun one, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because, like I said, I was kind of like it's sort of like Kiss and or frickin'.
Speaker 3:I'm missing it.
Speaker 1:I messed that up. It's sort of like Kiss or Ghost, where it's like I'm not expecting dude, I'm so fucking smacked right now, completely sober. G-r-i-m-e, take my hand.
Speaker 2:There it is right there, yep, that's the video and it's the video whiteout records as opposed to your like regular thing well, that is uh, yeah, yeah, I have, um, I'm in with those guys, but I also have, like I have it on my page as well, but yeah, no, it's, it's a chill song, you know, it's a good song oh, look at that young man. I know this is in the hair. My hair is still a little, uh, a little shorter than it is now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, so I'm gonna wrap it up. Thank you to everyone listening, check out his music, and I'm gonna end this with uh, take you where you want to go. That's my favorite song by big grab and thanks for coming out, man.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it, man. Thank you for having me okie dokie, we're cutting.
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